That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime: Tensei shitara Slime datta Ken

[Ryllharu]

Well, I guess we can continue to ignore the blatant hints about the Falmuth Army. I won't attest to the accuracy of the translation, but it is what we have to go on.

"I heard some of the monsters are real babes." "Yep! First come first served." 00:40
- They're going to use the monster girls as comfort women.
"Women are great, but I heard the treasure's not too shabby either." "Can't wait!" "You said it!" 00:43
- Pillaging is their collective goal, down to the infantry.
Reprimanded by a man we've seen later revealed hoping he could use a teenager/young adult as a blood sacrifice to steal their abilities, but okay with waiting for the next ones. And oh, yeah, he murdered Shion while she was protecting a goblin child from him.

Yeah...they're "all" innocent men that Rimuru is killing.

We haven't seen the other 15,000. But the first 5,500 were no saints.

But you know...let's keep making up shit in our own heads about how unjust Rimuru is being, and how pure the intentions are of the people he's murdering. We've never been shown a single one so far that is even remotely decent. Pure scumbags, greedy shitbags, racists, rapists, sanctimonious zealots, and categorically corrupt leaders who gleefully summon and murder children to enhance their own power...lead by a greedy king who's primary interest is maintaining their stranglehold on the neighboring kingdoms via a geographic trade monopoly that has kept their neighbors destitute (Blummund, eps 2-3) and Tempest's recent rise threatens that monopoly.

Yeah...I guess we can keep making shit up while ignoring the actually shown evidence.

[MFauli]

Well, I guess we can continue to ignore the blatant hints about the Falmuth Army. I won't attest to the accuracy of the translation, but it is what we have to go on.

"I heard some of the monsters are real babes." "Yep! First come first served." 00:40
- They're going to use the monster girls as comfort women.
"Women are great, but I heard the treasure's not too shabby either." "Can't wait!" "You said it!" 00:43
- Pillaging is their collective goal, down to the infantry.
Reprimanded by a man we've seen later revealed hoping he could use a teenager/young adult as a blood sacrifice to steal their abilities, but okay with waiting for the next ones. And oh, yeah, he murdered Shion while she was protecting a goblin child from him.

Yeah...they're "all" innocent men that Rimuru is killing.

We haven't seen the other 15,000. But the first 5,500 were no saints.

But you know...let's keep making up shit in our own heads about how unjust Rimuru is being, and how pure the intentions are of the people he's murdering. We've never been shown a single one so far that is even remotely decent. Pure scumbags, greedy shitbags, racists, rapists, sanctimonious zealots, and categorically corrupt leaders who gleefully summon and murder children to enhance their own power...lead by a greedy king who's primary interest is maintaining their stranglehold on the neighboring kingdoms via a geographic trade monopoly that has kept their neighbors destitute (Blummund, eps 2-3) and Tempest's recent rise threatens that monopoly.

Yeah...I guess we can keep making shit up while ignoring the actually shown evidence.

How many soldiers have we heard talking? 4? 5?

[Ryllharu]

You're glossing over the point, to try and defend your own that has zero evidence to support it.

The series has gone out of its way to only show us how shitty they all are.

[KrayZ33]

I think I made my point clear enough to not consider everyone in that army as innocent.
I don't even care about that because it's not the issue I'm having here

You don't become a monster to fight the monster.
You don't fight fire with fire and you don't confront hate with hate.

It's because he is so powerful that there should be alternative ways to solve this attack (and all future attacks). He doesn't do it due to his need for souls, that's why the term "demon-lord" is fitting in the end.

[MFauli]

You're glossing over the point, to try and defend your own that has zero evidence to support it.

The series has gone out of its way to only show us how shitty they all are.

Isn't it convenient that EVERY single one of these 20k soldiers is "shitty", huh?

Maybe they are. But that's then the limits of anime as a storytelling medium. Zero nuance. Only black and white.

[Ryllharu]

Zero nuance. Only black and white.

That would be an apt description of you, I'm afraid.

I've even spelled out Rimuru's character arc this season that leads up to him using Megiddo for you in an earlier post.

Slime Tensei is very good at spreading things out across the season. They all seem disconnected until one episode and one new hint makes them start to snap together. Plenty of nuance, plenty of good philosophical questions this season of what it means to be a leader. All gently poked at from the very first episodes.

Questions about Hinata's attitude and righteousness. Ones that you are in fact now backing her character on.

Morality questions all over the place. "Is telling your people to turn the other cheek, not to defend themselves, act civilized in the face of abuse and intolerance and violence always going to work out?"

Nah. I guess you're right. Anime can't do nuance.

[David75]

What nuances can you use when you're at war and an army is invading your place ?
Even if you are overly strong, are you strong enough to protect your loved ones and even the ones attacking you with a peaceful résolution ? Is that even possible ?

[DarthEnderX]

Isn't it convenient that EVERY single one of these 20k soldiers is "shitty", huh?

Goes directly back to the cop comparison from earlier. These ones here are openly shitty. If there are "good ones" in there, and they're fighting alongside the shitty ones, helping them achieve their shitty goals, then they aren't actually good ones.

let's get back to topic. clearly you dont know a lot about german history.

No offense, but I don't trust the German education system to have been completely honest when teaching you about how they used to be history's greatest monsters. Seems like the kind of thing about a country's own history they might decide to downplay.

It's because he is so powerful that there should be alternative ways to solve this attack (and all future attacks).

Still don't think this is even accurate.

They've already shown with Hinata that, given preparation, Rimuru CAN be countered and defeated. If he keeps using a light touch on these guys, they are GOING to kill him. And then kill everyone else.

Hell, there's a guy here that can kill your soul by touching you. It's like, yeah, Rimuru is godly powerful. But sometimes one weird ability(like, say, a barrier that shuts down your powers), can be used to kill a god. This fight is effortless for him BECAUSE he's not giving them a chance. If he does, they might come up with another BS way to kill him.

You don't become a monster to fight the monster.
You don't fight fire with fire and you don't confront hate with hate.

Mr. Roger's philosophies and Nazi defense. You truly are the dichotomy of man...

[Ryllharu]

No offense, but I don't trust the German education system to have been completely honest when teaching you about how they used to be history's greatest monsters. Seems like the kind of thing about a country's own history they might decide to downplay.

He's right on that one. Germany is almost pathological in their education about how guilty they should perpetually feel for what was done.

Contrast that to Japan, who does significantly downplay what they did in China and Korea at all levels of education and government. Culturally too. GATE is basically revisionist war history porn playing at being an isekai and JSDF recruiting.

And so does America, in basically everything. They don't hide it, but they sure sugarcoat it.

[KrayZ33]

Mr. Roger's philosophies and Nazi defense. You truly are the dichotomy of man...

Oh gosh shut up. We live by these moral standards every day.
Every christian nation does.
Even laws are created with this in mind.
I never "defended" Nazis either you dipshit. Stop putting words in my mouth.
It's *you* who brought Nazis into this discussion even though they have nothing to do with this topic.
And worst of all, you don't even have a fucking clue about that topic in the first place.

Aren't you American? Your system's education on this topic is flimsy at best.

You try to paint a picture here that every Wehrmacht soldier is a freaking Nazi.
The Wehrmacht did indeed partake into warcrimes, but I just love the idea that you believe that every soldier had a choice when literally death squads were roaming the streets that would kill and jail both your family and yourself depending on what you say and do.
It's also completely ignoring the fact that the whole system indoctrinated several generations into service.
Did Soldiers commit warcrimes willingly? Yes. Did everyone do this? No.
Did the majority do X or Y? No one fucking knows. Estimates range form 5%-80% So basically, there is no reliable data for that anywhere. We know that brutality was common though.

If your moral compass is limited to "everyone has to make their own choice and it's their own fault" or whatever then sadly, you know absolutely nothing. The "American Dream" which implies that everyone can make their own choices and be happy, didn't exist, it doesn't even exist today.

What do you think would have happened to the individual who did not execute the "Kommissarbefehl" in 1941, at the height of WW2?
Would you chance it?
Do you think that's still a choice for a soldier?
Don't think that he shouldn't be saved just because he followed his orders considering the possible consequences if he didn't?
This is still a topic to this day when 94 year olds are getting jail-time for what they did in WW2, or don't get jail time, due to "Befehlsnotstand". It's so difficult to actually find the truth here, still to this day, so I don't know why you can easily judge every single one of them. It's a good thing you don't have any power, I guess.

Still don't think this is even accurate.

They've already shown with Hinata that, given preparation, Rimuru CAN be countered and defeated. If he keeps using a light touch on these guys, they are GOING to kill him. And then kill everyone else.

Now this is actually the only relevant thing for this discussion.

You don't think this is accurate?
Did you even watch the episode, or listen to what Rimuru said?
There was not a single second of doubt in his mind that he could *easily* crush the whole army.
Like - seriously - *none*.
He actually *said* that they are weak and this isn't a problem.

It's actually funny that the girl who created the barrier that weakened everyone in the city is the one who was shown mercy. No one seems to truely care about that, but when that same mercy is denied to some random soldiers, who are in this willingly or not, yet are no threat to this town at all, as we have *actually* seen, it's supposedly that much different.

[Kraco]

The only thing you can negotiate with an invading army is your own surrender. Rimuru would have needed to slaughter thousands of soldiers no matter what to convince the rest of fighting being futile. However, like DE said, if given a proper chance, the army could have possibly offered real resistance, including being able to hurt Rimuru. Furthermore, the leadership might have just escaped (teleporting), leaving the grunts to fight until incapable of fighting because they probably couldn't escape so easily. Back in their own country, the leadership would then do their best to spread horror stories of the inhuman Jura Tempest monster country.

He's right on that one. Germany is almost pathological in their education about how guilty they should perpetually feel for what was done.

Contrast that to Japan, who does significantly downplay what they did in China and Korea at all levels of education and government. Culturally too. GATE is basically revisionist war history porn playing at being an isekai and JSDF recruiting.

And so does America, in basically everything. They don't hide it, but they sure sugarcoat it.

Absolutely nothing compared to the history rewriting Russia practices.

[KrayZ33]

The only thing you can negotiate with an invading army is your own surrender. Rimuru would have needed to slaughter thousands of soldiers no matter what to convince the rest of fighting being futile. However, like DE said, if given a proper chance, the army could have possibly offered real resistance, including being able to hurt Rimuru.

Where is that comming from though? If we go by what we've seen and with what the characters in this show knew and said so themselves, then there was no real threat.
There are probably going to be deaths depending on how it turns out and how fanatical these soldiers are.
But this was just him farming souls under the pretense that "no mercy is necessary" - which he decided on his own just like that and honestly, I doubt he ever really thought about it in the first place.

on a side note:
I kinda also wonder what the barriers created by the holy-church faction actually did in the end because it didn't seem to affect anyone all of a sudden.

[Ryllharu]

on a side note:
I kinda also wonder what the barriers created by the holy-church faction actually did in the end because it didn't seem to affect anyone all of a sudden.

Rimuru transported them back through the barrier. All the crystals were outside the barrier.

[MFauli]

No offense, but I don't trust the German education system to have been completely honest when teaching you about how they used to be history's greatest monsters. Seems like the kind of thing about a country's own history they might decide to downplay.

The biggest of eyerolls.

Our German movie-making industry lives on four genres:

- dry crime investiation
- cringe comedy
- movies about the DDR
- movies about WW2 and how bad our past generation was

Not only are we taught about WW2 and the nazi's crimes about 3 times during our school education; we're also constantly reminded about it by the movies we are shown. *Nothing* is downplayed. That's why your generalization is simply wrong.

[KrayZ33]

Rimuru transported them back through the barrier. All the crystals were outside the barrier.

Such a weird spell. The achor points themselves are thus unprotected?
So the barrier from Myulan (can't quite the remember the name completely) supressed magic skills (at least that's what Beni said), and the church-barrier did.. this magicule thingy?
But didn't the barrier when Rimuru fought against that otherworldler girl that nearly killed him reduce both his power AND his magical abilities?

[Kraco]

Where is that comming from though? If we go by what we've seen and with what the characters in this show knew and said so themselves, then there was no real threat.

They are the same people who trapped the whole capital inside the anti-monster barrier. They are allies with the theocracy that Hinata the Assassin belongs to, which is capable of creating a barrier nearly leading to Rimuru's death. If Rimuru has tried to negotiate with them, like someone here is suggesting, the invaders would have used the time to prepare everything necessary to face Rimuru. Maybe they would have even used teleportation to fetch Hinata back, to finish the job, but this time with thousands of allies.

There are probably going to be deaths depending on how it turns out and how fanatical these soldiers are.
But this was just him farming souls under the pretense that "no mercy is necessary" - which he decided on his own just like that and honestly, I doubt he ever really thought about it in the first place.

There hasn't been a single instance in the known history of mankind that an invading army would have turned back when asked nicely. So, whether he needed to harvest souls or not, regardless, the army was going to be destroyed. However, since it happens so soon, they won't have a chance to surrender. It's not much different from a massive bombing of an unsuspecting enemy camp in our world; no chance to surrender.

[DarthEnderX]

Oh gosh shut up.

Okay. Hope you didn't want me to read all that shit you typed. Cause I didn't.

Where is that comming from though? If we go by what we've seen and with what the characters in this show knew and said so themselves, then there was no real threat.

THEY ALMOST KILLED HIM TWO EPISODES AGO!

I kinda also wonder what the barriers created by the holy-church faction actually did in the end because it didn't seem to affect anyone all of a sudden.

I believe the crystal generators were located outside the barriers.

Not only are we taught about WW2 and the nazi's crimes about 3 times during our school education; we're also constantly reminded about it by the movies we are shown. *Nothing* is downplayed.

Yeah but...isn't it?

Apparently, your media tells you that the Nazi elite were responsible for the holocaust and that's terrible, but the average German citizen and soldier didn't even know that was happening.

Except...America knew what Germany was doing to the Jews at that time. From the other side of the planet. So I'm supposed to believe we knew about it, but the people in Germany didn't?

So your argument is "Nothing is downplayed because it totally tells us we were bad". Except they COULD still be downplaying it, if the reality of it was even WORSE.

[MFauli]

Okay. Hope you didn't want me to read all that shit you typed. Cause I didn't.

THEY ALMOST KILLED HIM TWO EPISODES AGO!


I believe the crystal generators were located outside the barriers.

Yeah but...isn't it?

Apparently, your media tells you that the Nazi elite were responsible for the holocaust and that's terrible, but the average German citizen and soldier didn't even know that was happening.

Except...America knew what Germany was doing to the Jews at that time. From the other side of the planet. So I'm supposed to believe we knew about it, but the people in Germany didn't?

So your argument is "Nothing is downplayed because it totally tells us we were bad". Except they COULD still be downplaying it, if the reality of it was even WORSE.

You had the chance to let it go. Instead you chose to double down and look stupid. Congrats.

[KrayZ33]

THEY ALMOST KILLED HIM TWO EPISODES AGO!

So Rimuru is just stupid then and ignores that? Because he doesn't care at all. So why should the viewer of this show. And it's not just him "pretending" that he doesn't care.

Okay. Hope you didn't want me to read all that shit you typed. Cause I didn't.

Then shut up with your nazi bullshit and nonsense and stop your strawmen. It's as easy as that

You had the chance to let it go. Instead you chose to double down and look stupid. Congrats.

to be fair, it was only a secret as much as you could keep a massive and horrible undertaking like that a secret.
Officially, they were laws that would, depending on which year you are looking at, result in the death penalty if you spoke out and against basically anything that would harm the reputation of the NSDAP or Germany in general.
These laws exist because people obviously talked about stuff. In fact, it tells us how much trouble talking about caused and they didn't just exist for the sake of it, they were actually followed/carried out.
The Nazis were very efficient in using speech to disguise what was actually going on. NS-code language and propaganda made it sound like they were "only" going to be deported to the east... or even "evacuated" actually at first.
But in 1939++ when they load and unload the trailers right next to your house/city, and the crematorium burns day and night and the whole town smells like burning bodies, at least the cities right next to the camps obviously knew what was happening and thus people started talking about it. Or soldiers started writing about it (either in their diaries, or sometimes even in letters)
And while there were protests (as much as you can protest during a dictatorship), not necessarily only out of compassion either, there were also those that would benefit from that and thus accept what has happened and in ~1941 the deportation and shootings were actually done in the open too.
But, once more, this is so off topic and doesn't even remotely catch what has happened in that episode.
Even if you want to paint that army in one colour, it still doesn't "justify" (-> justice) that massacre.

But Rimiru obviously threw away his "holier than thou" attitude and that's what we got.

Netflight summarized it well.

[MFauli]

So Rimuru is just stupid then and ignores that? Because he doesn't care at all. So why should the viewer of this show. And it's not just him "pretending" that he doesn't care.



Then shut up with your nazi bullshit and nonsense and stop your strawmen. It's as easy as that



to be fair, it was only a secret as much as you could keep a massive and horrible undertaking like that a secret.
Officially, they were laws that would, depending on which year you are looking at, result in the death penalty if you spoke out and against basically anything that would harm the reputation of the NSDAP or Germany in general.
These laws exist because people obviously talked about stuff. In fact, it tells us how much trouble talking about caused and they didn't just exist for the sake of it, they were actually followed/carried out.
The Nazis were very efficient in using speech to disguise what was actually going on. NS-code language and propaganda made it sound like they were "only" going to be deported to the east... or even "evacuated" actually at first.
But in 1939 when they load and unload the trailers right next to your house/city, and the crematorium burns day and night and the whole town smells like burning bodies, at least the cities right next to the camps obviously knew what was happening and thus people started talking about it. Or soldiers started writing about it (either in their diaries, or sometimes even in letters)
And while there were protests (as much as you can protest during a dictatorship), not necessarily only out of compassion either, there were also those that would benefit from that and thus accept what has happened and in ~1941 the deportation and shootings were actually done in the open too.
But, once more, this is so off topic and doesn't even remotely catch what has happened in that episode.
Even if you want to paint that army in one colour, it still doesn't "justify" (-> justice) that massacre.

But Rimiru obviously threw away his "holier than thou" attitude and that's what we got.

Netflight summarized it well.

Yeah. What irks me is that basically the anime attempts to absolve Rimuru from moral dilemma by giving him the bs resurrection option. Oh how convenient, there are 20k soldiers and the resurrection requires 10k. Makes you wonder what Rimuru would have done if it had been only 6000 soldiers. Fly to Falmuth and kill 4000 civilians?

It's just such a lame, and again convenient scenario that happens way too often in anime. I don't believe that teenagers, who are the main audience of this, are less annoyed by such contrievances. It's just bad writing.

And then again: What would Rimuru do if there was no resurrection option? I'd bet good money that he'd try to negotiate then, after strengthening his town's defenses. And even when the soldiers attacked then, he'd choose to kill only a few in a way that scares the rest away. Because that's the Rimuru we've gotten to learn in all the time.

Ah, I hate that resurrection bs :/