Episode 48.5
As expected, this was a recap of the most recent events, with an added narration. The narration tried really hard to be funny. It wasn't.
Episode 48.5
As expected, this was a recap of the most recent events, with an added narration. The narration tried really hard to be funny. It wasn't.
Was it Veldora commentating again?
And Diablo along with him.
Season 3 Episde 1:
Yeah, I think I'm done with this.
Rimuru is an evil villain and so are all of his "friends". Justifying torture and murder just because some looked the wrong way at Rimuru, fuck that shit. That scene in the waggon with the "in piece but alive"-people was so fucking evil, you cannot justify that shit.
At this point, this anime is the same as Overlord, only without the honesty to admit that its protagonist is evil.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Nothing new, humans are the antagonists by default. Individuals are welcome to side with monsters. But in that world humans think themselves as the superior race and have been the genocidal ones. It's only natural they are viewed as trash.
As human audience, it feels a bit strange, but that's how that story is written.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
You might want to rewatch the previous season. Rimura and the Jura forest were the victims here, of an unprovoked invasion. If you attack someone with extreme hatred, you are quite a hypocrite to demand humane treatment when the tables are turned on you. Those three villains who got chopped up are extremely lucky, in fact, because they are still alive and regained their human forms.Originally Posted by MFauli
Diablo is a highest order demon, so of course he's evil. He's still Rimuru's servant, though. That being said, every time I see his face, I can't help but feel he would, in fact, love to betray Rimuru at some point.
This is different from Overlord in the sense that this remains morally clean. Jura is attacked and Rimuru fights back. That's how it always happens. Whereas in Overlord the Great Tomb of Nazarick mostly keeps attacking first. Quite a fundamental difference. Otherwise there might be some similarities here and there because we are dealing with monsters in both.
They tried to genocide his entire kingdom! It's completely justified!
I don't understand how your fucking mind works that you think Eren was justified, but Rimuru isn't. That Eren can genocide 80% of the planet, the civilians, the children, everyone, even of countries that aren't his enemies, on fears of a hypothetical future retaliation. But Rimuru isn't allowed to destroy an army that is actively trying to murder his people, and punish the 3 people in charge of that attack.
It's like something in your brain is wired wrong.
It sucks that the 3 that were spared were the 3 most responsible for all those deaths.
Been playing RPGs all my life. Never play a human when there's an option not to. This shit's old hat to me.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Fri, 04-05-2024 at 01:16 PM.
NOTHING was justified, wtf. Did you remember how Rimuru murdered 100k soldiers, not for defense, but because he needed them to resurrect his friends?!
And it might suck from their perspective, but Rimuru and his friends ARE monsters after all. Humans lived for centuries if not thousands of years with the simple truth: monsters are evil. And before Rimuru named them all and thus gave them human-like intelligence, that was fair game for most of them. Sure, in this anime, goblins aren't murderers and rapists. But the direwolves were dangerous, orcs were, demons were, etc..
Sure, Rimuru can argue "you attacked us, we defend". But not only does that not justify the murder of the 100k soldiers nor the gruesome treatment of the humans in the waggon we saw this episode; it also makes him anything but a clean hero. And that's what this anime still pretends overall, that Rimuru is some cute, morally good hero. He's not. And if I were Rimuru, I'd question whether it's alright that everyone always kneels and bows their heads when he walks by. Not exactly healthy behavior unless you're a dictator who gets off on power.
Tbh as I'm typing this, I'm wondering how humans even survived this long, considering there's not a single human so far that could keep up with the demon lords we saw. Rimuru is one of them and it shows. To those who read the light novel or whatever the source is: Pls send me a PM and spoiler me with a yes or no: Does anyone ever oppose Rimuru and Rimuru is forced to realize that he's in the wrong? Thx
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Humans survived because the demon lords have no reason to cull them.
Then they attacked Tempest...
Peace.
It was ABSOLUTELY for defense! Those soldier were ACTIVLY marching on his city with the EXPRESS goal of murdering EVERYONE.
The fact that their deaths would revive his friends was just a bonus. Which was ALSO justified, because they're the ones that KILLED THOSE FRIENDS IN THE FIRST PLACE! They are straight up being made to pay the cost to undo the damage THEY CAUSED!
They got off LUCKY. They were the worst offenders and got off with the lightest punishment.
He's tried repeatedly to get them to stop. It never works.
He's done nothing wrong.
Although he's probably giving Diablo too much free reign to operate without oversite.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Fri, 04-05-2024 at 06:54 PM.
I mean, mass murdering your enemies when you have the power to not do so is morally wrong in many different perspectives and ideologies.
I'm not saying I disagree with what Rimuru did, but it is not typically what a just hero would do.
Peace.
Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with that.
But in this instance, killing those people literally undoes the deaths THEY were responsible for. It's less about murdering his enemies than it is about UNmurdering his people.
Normally, one of the main arguments against vengeance is "There's no point to it, it's not going to bring them back." But in this case, it would LITERALLY bring them back.
It basically becomes a trolly problem. Is it okay to kill a hundred murderers to save one innocent person? How many Nazis are you willing to kill to undo the holocaust? And so on.
I don't think that's true. Given that he seems to get genuinely furious any time anyone badmouths Rimuru.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sat, 04-06-2024 at 01:00 AM.
Because the demon lords are no more monsters than the human leaders we have been seeing. There's no such confrontation going on as you are proposing.
You might as well ask how on Earth can Germany and France both keep existing right next to each other, after they have fought so many bloody wars. Shouldn't one of them be permanently destroyed already?
He's not a just hero, though. He's the leader of a nation. A just hero would be a lousy leader, only marginally better than a tyrant. Of course in a paradise a just hero might be an excellent leader, but clearly the world of this series is anything but a paradise. So, Rimuru foremost must look after his own nation. How to treat other nations depends on how they act toward Jura. Friendly nations benefit Jura, so they are worth treating fairly, but hostile nations must be kept in check. If a verifiably hostile nation can be turned into a friendly one by extremely unscrupulous tampering with their internal politics, like Diablo is now doing under orders from Rimuru, then that's what Rimuru should do, if he can do it without risking the general situation becoming worse than it was. It's not an act befitting a just hero, obviously.
"What would Himmel do?"
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
We had this debate when the last season aired, it's probably only a couple pages back, lol, so I don't feel like we need to repeat everything. My issue has always been, and still is, how Rimuru just appears at the resting soldiers' place, and insta-murders all of them. And while he does, he specifically cares about there being at least 100k, so he can revive his friends. This wasn't a defensive measure, and no, it's not just to murder soldiers who killed your friends in an ongoing war, these soldiers carried out orders. The just thing to do would have been for Rimuru to kill the leaders of the army, and then anyone that still opposed him.
I have zero sympathy for Russia atm, but would you guys think it'd be just if some just snipped their fingers and ALL of Russia's soldiers dropped dead? That's not how war works. You fight, until one side retreats. Genocide is not the way of any regular war, that's an extra step in the direction of "fucked up". And Rimuru took that extra step. He's evil. "B-but he revived his friends who were killed by those soldiers!!1" - they died in battle with an enemy army, they weren't killed by evil people, and certainly not every soldier in the army was happy with what happened. But Rimuru made no distinction here (or the author took the easy route and wanted us to believe that all those soldiers were scumbags).
And just for the record: Rimuru DID have the power to solve this situation without murdering 100k+ people. There was no strategic need for this, it was all his selfish desire to bring back his friends. ThaT's why he's evil and why he's like Overlord, only he (or the way the anime presents him) pretends to be "good".
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
@Kraco - I think that's what Mfauli is saying, that Rimuru isn't a just hero. I just wanted to clarify it.
@Darth - Most of the soldiers he killed aren't the ones guilty of killing his friends and people. He just sacrificed them to save his friends, which has a lot of moral issues.
@Buff - Himmel would not kill 10K to save a few, that's for sure.
The thing is, the story isn't even trying to paint Rimuru as good here. He is in fact a brutal and cruel demon lord, and that means he is evil in many ways, just like all his brethren. It is weird for Mfauli to expect pure goodness from him, but it is also wrong to think everything Rimuru has done is just and moral in many of our human perspectives.
Peace.
I mean, shinta, he's depicted as cute and friendly and everything. And I can't stand the big titty-secretary who won't allow any ever so slight criticism against Rimuru, she's the worst. Bitch should have stayed dead.
Anyway, glad to see at least shinta understands my point <3
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Cute and friendly... like Kyubey?
Peace.
If you can slay every single soldier of an invading army while they are happily and carelessly camping, you'd be called a peerless military strategist. If you meet them on the battlefield when they are fully prepared and fighting back, you risk losses on your own side. War is about maximising enemy casualties and minimising your own (at least any war not run by Moscow). Unfortunately that's more often than not extremely difficult.
If the enemy soldiers didn't want to die, they only needed not to invade. War has a tendency to kill people. Every single soldier ever to exist acknowledges that.
Since Rimuru desires a peaceful coexistence with Falmuth, he decided to keep his military genius a secret and gave the credit to Veldora. That way the people of Falmuth would fear him less.
Sure, war is not at all in alignment with morality.
The saying goes, "All is fair in love and war." And when all is fair, there is no morality.
Peace.
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