The point of this show is:Originally Posted by KrayZ33
- rimuru living as a slime
- rimuru bringing civilization to monsters
- rimuru eventually making contact with humans
Plenty of 'interest' happening. You know that you don't have to watch every anime, right?
Yeah, in fact I watch at most 2-3 a season.
Still, pretty uninteresting/simple writing so far honestly and I want to call it out on that and bring it up for discussion. It's rather generic. The only difference is him being a slime, which might soon stop when he can transform into a human.
At that point, it will also stop being about him "living as a slime" and his human form and slime form will basically melt together - but even now, him being a slime is basically no different from a human with superpowers.... which is again, pretty similar to Ainz being Undead...
To put it simply, a rather minor trait because Rimuru could've looked like a wimpy human and everyone would've treated him the same way so far.
And it never really was about him making contact with humans yet, at least I don't remember him declaring that this is his goal (one of the first "creatures" he has seen were humans and he chose to not contact them)- so...that's more or less something that is inevitably going to happen at some point, but what about it?
This coming from you was an absolute scream btw.Plenty of 'interest' happening. You know that you don't have to watch every anime, right?
What category, isekai itself? Or this sub category of isekai?
Either way, pretty bad advice for me- because I enjoy isekai stories. I just think this has nothing going for it so far that would stand out compared to it's competition. And isekai stories have lots of competition since that's what the lightnovel/anime hype train has been all about in the last few years.
It's the BattleRoyale-Games of Anime. Especially when it includes the OP character-set.
They are a weeb's wet dream, but so far I don't see where this is any different from smartphone/deathmarch.
I mean, lets talk about Ryl's comment here for example
Not only do I think he contradicts himself, because his situation is indeed tailor made (I mean, the very first episode was about how that voice tailored him into something OP because..."luck(?)" and the whole Great Sage stuff smells of a convinient plot tool that will always make something up or develop a new skill when he's stuck), but his Great Sage is hardly different from a game-wiki and thus hardly different from certain other shows I've mentioned already.It's a big difference from the more typical mode of "nerd is great in this tailor made environment."It's a big difference from the more typical mode of "nerd is great in this tailor made environment."
Great Sage is a super cheat and acknowledged as such. There's also specific advantages that have been granted, with set-ups from the first episode.
How come this is considered a better/different approach than the other shows for no reason?
He came to this new world with super abilities.. how is that any different from some gaming nerd who is stuck with his OP maxlevel game character in a world that is loosely based on the game he played.
Just my opinion on this show so far.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 10-24-2018 at 01:41 PM.
The major category where the MC is more or less instantly OP or with a skill that allows them to level up at breakneck speed (analyse/steal skill). Half of isekai these days belong to this class. If not more.
So...?
That doesn't mean I have to skip the whole isekai stuff, or even just the OP character isekai stuff.
Even among that sub genre are some that are rather enjoyable.
This just proofs my point about how this show is struggling to find it's own kind of identity.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 10-24-2018 at 03:58 PM.
You both completely misinterpreted how I wrote that.
"Tailor made" as in, protagonist is a loser or has some sort of confidence or mental issues IRL, but they happen to be oh so great at ______, which translates to them being super overpowered in the world they later find themselves in. Yes, I mean this includes No Game No Life, as series that actually does it well. But there's a difference between:
Their skills are literally tailor-made by the author to make them OP - Rimuru, Masaki Kenshi
and
The world they end up in is tailor-made by the author to make them OP (using their existing skills) - Kirito, Sora/Shiro, Dog Days' leads
Note that neither Overlord nor KonoSuba fall into either of those categories, so it isn't meant to be a black and white distinction.
Also, Rimuru's OP skills and form are literally a gag in the opening segment. He's an otaku that wants his PC full of eroge drowned, which is how he ends up with Great Sage because the "world force" for lack of a better term only picked up on "PC" and reinterpreted it. Heat resistance because he felt hot as he bled out, and so on.
edit:
Youjo Senki is actually a combination and an inversion of the latter. Tanya's personality of a ruthless office manager and knowledge makes her exceptionally vicious and successful in the world she ends up in, but literally the entire world is against her.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Thu, 10-25-2018 at 03:05 AM.
I agree with Krayz with all the weaknesses of slime. I read the novels and thought the same. Tailor-made sounds about right.
That said, it is better than Overlord in the aspect that Rimuru is still in the process of building his home, while Ainz started out pretty much complete.
Peace.
I just got an impression from your earlier posts that you don't appreciate instantly OP main characters (in isekai). But apparently that was a wrong impression. My bad. Although that being said, I don't quite understand what your complaint was all about then.
Just that the story is very simlar to others and that it's unique tweaks, like MC being a slime, are so far completely underused.
I don't understand the point of him being a slime, for example.
I also disagree that this story is supposedly not about him getting powerups. It's completely alien to me because his predator ability exists because it's a show about exactly that.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 10-24-2018 at 04:37 PM.
Tbqh I had entertained the possibility that your entire reason for shitting on this anime is that I severely criticized Overlord S3 and somehow you can't accept that I like this anime that you find much lesser. Quite childish if so.
That aside, calling this anime 'generic' strikes me as extremely odd. I watch a lot of isekai anime and this one very much feels unique. It has the slime-hero, which already is a huge differentiation. But following from that, it doesn't put emphasis on humans, but instead explores monsters beyond the typical 'they exist for the hero to kill'. Then there's also the plot shake-up where Rimuru befriended an, as far as I understood, evil dragon that was sealed away by a hero. That's hilarious on its own.
Those are 3 significant unique traits that imo make it impossible to call this anime 'generic'. If you don't like it, that's fine, but it's rather, again, childish to put false-nomer to something just to get a rile out of others.
I didn't get that impression. He even said that him destroying that city was a misunderstanding/confusion on his part.
First of all, I'm actually using arguments - what you are doing when you bash on a show, is something completely different.Tbqh I had entertained the possibility that your entire reason for shitting on this anime is that I severely criticized Overlord S3 and somehow you can't accept that I like this anime that you find much lesser. Quite childish if so.
And I'm not a fan of Overlord S3 either, because the low production value pretty much killed that series for me.
And to come back at your statements about how unique Slime is, it really doesn't help making stuff up.
for example this
This series literally started with him being a Slime killing monsters to gain their abilities.But following from that, it doesn't put emphasis on humans, but instead explores monsters beyond the typical 'they exist for the hero to kill'.
As for building the goblin city, that's pretty much exactly what Overlord was all about.
It's very similar to what the Lizardmen Arc, but that Arc in Overlord was/is considered to be one of Overlords weakest arcs.
Slime doesn't do anything special here. It's not "deep" or anything and honestly, it doesn't even go as far as you make it out to be in the first place.. what kind of exploration was done so far - how was/is it different from what Ainz is doing.
He just goes to a village he stumbled upon on accident, helps them out will, and that's it. - oh gosh, that's exactly how Overlord S1 episode 1-2 played out.
another point that is ridicilous. Him being a slime hero had no affect on the story so far, he could've been a wimpy ass human and every monster and human he encountered so far would've acted the same.It has the slime-hero, which already is a huge differentiation.
The goblins, the thugs, the random monsters attacking him, even Tempest.
The dragon isn't evil. It's not like we'll see them fighting each other in the end - he'll quite obviously act up as his lap-dog. And what about it is a plot shake-up... lol. It didn't shake up anything so far.Then there's also the plot shake-up where Rimuru befriended an, as far as I understood, evil dragon that was sealed away by a hero. That's hilarious on its own.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 10-25-2018 at 12:21 AM.
In my opinion it has been used for the jokes a number of times. Also since he's building a town for monsters (goblins and monster wolves), it ought to be essential for him to be a monster as well. Traditionally humans have large/strong kingdoms only for humans, plus some very human like humanoids like elves (and animal eared "humans" in Japanese stories). So, it's typically humans vs monsters. It might be difficult indeed for a human to lead monsters confidently under such circumstances where humans are viewed as natural enemies. However, he's a slime, which is a very well-known monster to be killed on sight by humans.
I tried to explain before that my stance is such that the special stealing skills power that typically only exist for a single person in the universe, the MC, is more or less the same as being instantly OP from the beginning. Just consider this series: He began basically weak, apart from the resistances, but after the first episode he was already stronger than many fearsome monsters. That's quite different from the traditional approach where the MC needs to begin from zero and believably grind themselves up to prominence, following RPG traditions. I have a bit of dislike for the steal skill power.
Sure, this might have some technical similarities to Overlord, but in the end Ains is evil, perhaps lawful evil, whereas Rimuru is obviously a good guy. I'd say that makes a huge difference in the general atmosphere and thus comparing this to Overlord feels artificial.
Not me, I LOVE that shit.
Everything should be Mega Man!
Yeah, I know when I've hit a nerve, lol.
Your opinion is yours, but I vehemently disagree. Rimuru being a slime has had lots of unique scenes that wouldn't have worked with a human character (they way he propels himself on a water surface was great - would you have a human Rimuru ... fart hard for that effect? :/)
And the dragon was clearly presented as evil. "it was a misunderstanding" - said every evil dragon in the history of dragons.
I still don't understand why you're hellbent to compare this anime to Overlord. If you watched as many isekai anime as you claimed, you'd know that there is a lot of variation outside of the cheaper, ecchi ones. Slime, so far, feels like a quality isekai show.
No, he wasn't. His dealing with Rimuru didn't look evil at all. I'd say he's neutral. Maybe chaotic neutral, which would easily lead to levelling a city or two, but even that wouldn't be required.
Wat. It looked super evil. The only reason Rimuru is alive is because of the dragon being trapped behind a magic shield. Then they became friends because the evil dragon turned out tsundere and Rimuru's easygoing attitude.
Had humans found the dragon, this would have played very differently.
If you are talking about this discussion in particular, then no.. that's just my aversion I have against you as a person in general.Yeah, I know when I've hit a nerve, lol.
The origin of that is based on statements like these:
This is so far beside the point that I struggle having a discussion with you and it's tiresome.Rimuru being a slime has had lots of unique scenes that wouldn't have worked with a human character (they way he propels himself on a water surface was great - would you have a human Rimuru ... fart hard for that effect? :/)
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 10-25-2018 at 10:20 AM.
Ep 5 is out
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Kinda felt very slow. Shouldn't have taken an entire episode to resolve the court. Maa ii ...
The king is kinda dumb. If he saw such value in Rimuru's powers, he could have asked his forgiveness. Wouldn't have had to do it in public either.
Still, I love the village building. Now we've got goblins, wolves and dwarfs. Elves next pls? ;o
And I totally want a sim-game of this style. "SimCity: Isekai Edition". Slowly building an ever more flourishing town, sending adventurers on quests, expanding the town's diversity, negotiating with other races, town defense management, and even having an avatar to walk through town and imteract with inhabitants (and woo some elf girls!). Kinda like "Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King" (Wii) , except much grander and complex.
I guarantee that games like that already exist.
The king felt the immense power Rimuru has and his reference to Veldora is right on many levels. Veldora is with Rimuru. And most of Rimuru's power/energy source comes from the cave that was infused with Veldora's power.
So his reaction is to be very cautious he's not against a high level enemy. After all he senses an incredible power from Rimuru, but Rimuru is confortable enough to let himself be captured, emprisoned and tolerate that farce of a trial.
Also, the king feels a bit threatened when he sees one of his former men he highly respects turning to slime Rimuru. There's some charisma and leader power threatening his own.
So he's cautious, lets the monster exit the city and starts some surveillance.
I wonder if at some points he decides to attack Rimuru's village, that would create some opposition, always nice in a story.
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