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    Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

    But at least Mako has had the blooming time of her life.

    As for sweat, it shouldn't smell with people with good body higiene and no specific body odor troubles.
    It needs some time to smell enough that you can sense it from over a meter.

    But visually, it's not very nice.

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    I'm pretty sure they smell bad, but it's not like you can actually smell it from that far away when they are just dancing close to you for some seconds.

    They can smell each other though.

    I just don't want to imagine how it must feel under that tuxedo.

    as for the ep itself:

    I want more Mako now...


    The biggest downside in this show so far is that it doesn't really show the moves.
    I could probably look it up on youtube etc. but I have absolutely no knowledge of ballroom dancing.

    How does a "whisk" (or whatever the name was) look like? Why is X into Y difficult?
    They don't explain that at all and that is kinda sad, considering that the dancer we are following here is a complete scrub too.

    When I watched Ookiku Furikabute, that baseball anime, I didn't know much about baseball either, but I at least I got to understand what is difficult to do and what not when watching it... that felt nice.

    After they showed us the box they stopped doing it.
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    Mako's so cute I got diabetes!

    This episode reminded me a lot of the ice skating episode of Death Parade, one of my absolute favorite anime episodes of all time.

    Buff, sweat doesn't smell if you bathe regularly. The byproducts of bacteria on your skin eating the sweat smells, not the sweat itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Buff, sweat doesn't smell if you bathe regularly. The byproducts of bacteria on your skin eating the sweat smells, not the sweat itself.
    So I've heard. I have a friend who sweats buckets whenever they exercise, and he smells lol. That visual dripping reminded me of them.

    I went and did a search, and advice seems to be:

    guys: change shirts/undershirts often.
    girls: show as much skin as appropriately allowable.

    @Krayz33: I agree regarding the lack of explanation. For one, it's hard to appreciate how "not leading" actually allowed Mako to bloom. Exactly what did she do differently here that she couldn't otherwise do earlier (or with Gaju)?

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    I think you got it wrong.
    Tatara is leading Mako so well that she gets to shine and take all the light while he erases his presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    I think you got it wrong.
    Tatara is leading Mako so well that she gets to shine and take all the light while he erases his presence.
    Tatara is "leading" by doing whatever Mako wants to do, which is fine. But.. what exactly is Mako doing?

    We can't fully appreciate that, except for visual petals flying around and Mako smiling all over the place. Hyodo talking about her physique was going somewhere. Developing on that and telling us exactly what moves suit her body type for example, would give us concrete reasons as to why she's dancing well today.

    Tatara is leading without applying his own intentions, which is why they're commenting that he's not really leading at all.

    Compare this to Sengoku and his manager's lead when he showed them a dance. He lead her to do what he wanted while keeping her ability in mind. That's leading.

    Leading is directing. Tatara's lead is like figuring out where a dog wants to go, then placing carpet in front of it as it walks to enable it. (I can't think of a prettier analogy, apologies to Mako)

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    He was leading, but Hyoudo-Mama and Sengoku made it clear that the two were actually communicating by touch and body movement through the entire solo. It was what Sengoku noticed between the two of them when they were playing in the park. Mako and Tatara pay attention to each other. That's how he was able to signal to her about where she wanted to end, and she indicated through touch she wanted them to finish where she'd be showing off to her brother.

    Tatara's technique is special because he lets his partner steal the show so much, that the judges miss his own flaws because they never looked at him. Sengoku noticed because he focuses on them both, and Marisa did as well because Tatara makes her curious, but everyone else only looked at Mako. It's all exactly what Hyoudo told him to do. Have Mako beat Shizuku, don't try to beat Gaju.

    Tatara's style contrasts the other dancers who are trying to show off themselves as equals (Hyoudo and Shizuku) or show off themselves (Gaju). To be fair though, this little competition hasn't been fair to Gaju at all, he's best at Latin dancing, where the two dancers operate more individually.

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    @Buff: He is leading her. The two of them signal what their next improvisation is and rough location, which they arranged immediately beforehand, and Tatara picks a place where the pair haven't been on the floor and takes Mako there. He's paying attention to the crowd and location, Mako gets to spend more effort looking beautiful and elegant. He's doing all the positioning, she's doing all the posing.

    That's leading. He's not dominating the dance though, which is what makes it unusual. The others, especially Gaju and Sengoku, treat their partners as ornaments. Hyoudo treats them as equals, Tatara puts the partner on display. He followed Hyoudo's advice, in the only way he's capable of doing. Where Hyoudo's "frame" is a bit more intricate and flatters what it contains as well as being a work of art in and of itself, Tatara's is a plain simple one that you ignore, but the "painting" shines all the more from the contrast.
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    I'm sure the current state of Tatara's frame is temporary. He himself said it. He isn't good enough yet to be the star.

    What's funny is everyone, including Hyodo's mom, thought quite a bit about Tatara, all the while not realizing this was his 1st actual competition. The mom thought it was his first final... which usually means you've been into quite a few contests beforehand. He hasn't even been dancing for 6 months, right? Definitely not a year.

    Tatara is a monster.
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    Jolly episode for me. I'm convinced at least 1/2 of this anime working is the soundtrack which rouses appropriate emotion at each dramatic scene. I just wish the animation wasn't so sparse, but with character art this detailed, I can let slide for the most part.

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    Talking about character art, I get a little distracted by the furry eyelashes at times. It's looks more or less fine in this context, but I'll always know it'd look quite weird and possibly disgusting in real life.

    edit: kind of like a horse.

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    Eps 10

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    I like that this episode, on the whole, had nothing to do with the male leads of the series. It was Shizuku, realizing that this was her moment to take back the momentum. She can't let down, even for a moment, if she wants to be worthy as Hyoudou's rival. She has to be every bit as good as he is, or risk being swallowed up by his ability and placed in the shadows.

    Like they said earlier, this has nothing to do with Gaju versus Tatara. It has always been Shizuku versus Mako. The only difference is that Tatara doesn't mind being the shadow that highlights his partner.

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    THE TEASE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    THE TEASE.
    Exactly. Right when Quickstep started, I saw that there was 4mins left - enough to actually do the dance if they didn't drag it out. They dragged it out. In retrospect it was inevitable, but I still hoped I didn't have to wait for one entire week longer.

    edit: once again, Chibi-Mako wins so much.

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    The animation quality dropped this time around... I hope they went all out on the Quickstep!

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    FCK U SHSUCKU

    GJ to Mako for beating that whore, but I feel bad for Tatara for losing the perfect partner... until I saw the post credits scene and the next episode title. I guess Tatara is gonna get a partner perfect only for him.

    Gaju is such a bitch. If he really wanted Shizuku as a partner, he should've rejected the result. Informal "duels" like these don't mean shit anyway. Instead, he blushed for his sister(!) and followed her like a whipped dog. At least Mako was clearly infatuated or even in love with Tatara by the end of it, as she should be.

    LOL @ all the judges and Hyodo's mom. They can't even identify a complete noob in a glance. It took them the entire competition to realize that Tatara is an absolute beginner and is only in his first competition and 2nd time dancing to a public audience.
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    EP11

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    pahahaha @ 3:38

    okay, anyway - that was great.

    Let's see what the new girl is going to be like.
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    Meh, a red head :/
    I want Tatara to bang Shizuku, he's deserved it :>

    Anyway, sooo satisfying to see Shizuku lose to Mako. Whatever about the overall ranking, Tatara is a total beginner, so it'd have been weird for him to win against pros. This was the perfect concluson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta
    LOL @ all the judges and Hyodo's mom. They can't even identify a complete noob in a glance. It took them the entire competition to realize that Tatara is an absolute beginner and is only in his first competition and 2nd time dancing to a public audience.
    Hyodo's mum knows about Tatara and that it's his 2nd time in a competition. The other guys noted that he was more noob than they tbought while she said he was now almost ugly to watch.

    They draw a pretty big link between dancing stamina and dancing experience up to a point. Tatara looks good, but he hasn't danced enough to form the proper muscles. I can't fault the judges for only picking up something that shows with time.

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    When was it stated that the mom knew that much? I remember her saying she knew it was his first final, not his first comp. If she knew it was his first actual competition, she should've said that, not specifically state "final." The Hyodo switching event isn't really a proper contest so it doesn't count.

    About the other judges, that was my entire point. Everyone knew Tatara sucked from the start, but none of them were the wiser that he was that much of a noob, even to the very end. They eventually realized he was even more amateurish than they thought, but they would probably wet themselves if they knew he hasn't been dancing a year and that it was his very first contest (and that so much was at stake for that matter).

    Heck, none of them even realized it was Tatara's frame that led to Mako winning the partner award. Only Sengoku and Hyodo, the two who orchestrated it, knew it was Tatara's intentional achievement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    When was it stated that the mom knew that much? I remember her saying she knew it was his first final, not his first comp. If she knew it was his first actual competition, she should've said that, not specifically state "final." The Hyodo switching event isn't really a proper contest so it doesn't count.

    About the other judges, that was my entire point. Everyone knew Tatara sucked from the start, but none of them were the wiser that he was that much of a noob, even to the very end. They eventually realized he was even more amateurish than they thought, but they would probably wet themselves if they knew he hasn't been dancing a year and that it was his very first contest (and that so much was at stake for that matter).

    Heck, none of them even realized it was Tatara's frame that led to Mako winning the partner award. Only Sengoku and Hyodo, the two who orchestrated it, knew it was Tatara's intentional achievement.

    I don't see the issue, it's not like Tatara did a poor job before his stamina went out.

    You yourself said Tatara's frame led to Mako winning the partner reward, and that is something the judges noticed too, especially Hyodo's mom. But the fact that he was able to do that means it doesn't show that he's a beginner. His solo performance was pretty amazing after all and when Hyodo, a real pro, was putting himself into his shoes, he chose (so I assume, because I don't actually know what a 360 no scope pivot turn open rondel is) the same figures.

    In the end, they couldn't even rate *his* stance/posture in the finals, because he made it so that they'd rate Mako's instead.
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