Kuzu no Honkai

[David75]

Such a tiny story. I just feel that every climactic interaction is irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. Blame Trump for that.

Well, this is puberty discovering feelings and sex drama, what did you expect ?
I like it for the little over erotic moments, without falling into too graphic scenes.

[Kraco]

Episode 5



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Now in retrospect I don't anymore see why I thought Mugi wouldn't have known just as much as everybody else, apart from Narumi. Mugi's melancholy seemed like a good sign I just refused to see, I guess. He was just as much as Hanabi someone who had given up but pretended not to have. Narumi the Fool accidentally calling Akane Hana suggests the dude might also have secretly wanted Hanabi, but for obvious reasons rejects that choice for all eternity. It just might be an external motivation for him to try to catch Akane, against his better judgement, to have something instead in this show of insteads.

Mugi and Hanabi's relationship is pretty funny and theatric, but also sad.

[MFauli]

Mugi is an idiot for loving his teacher. That male teacher is, too. Both fell for that female teacher only because of her pretty looks. It´s obvious that they don´t know what kind of person she is. And she is the worst kind of cunt, really.

Last episode was kinda hentai much, I had to contemplate if I should keep reading the subtitles or undress my underpants ;/

Now that the female teacher is revealed to be such a bitch, I kinda don´t see a true happy end for this series anymore. Hanabi will end up with either the teacher or Mugi, but one of the guys will be left alone.

[shinta|hikari]

Or threesome.

[MFauli]

episode 6 is out
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So let me tell you my own life-long nice guy-story: I´be been in love with not many, but a couple girls. When I then gathered the rare courage to tell them that I like them, they´d tell me the typical "oh, you´re nice. But you´re not my type"-crap and stuff. Next I´d see the them making out with some asshole, one of those clichee assholes that bully others, that talk mean stuff all the time, and that treat their gf like a sub-human. Ofc, it always ends with these girls crying, because he cheats on them, because he hit them, because ... you name it. All the while a nice guy like myself (and not the fedora-wearing type of "nice guy") is left at the sidelines and watches in disbelief.

Which leads us to this latest episode of Kuzu no Honkai. I won´t believe that there has NEVER been a boy at her school that fell in love with her and tried to get closer to her. She´s cute, even hot, and, generally speaking, a good girl. So now, instead of accepting the genuine interest of any such guy, she was about the give her virginity to some random asshole who´s part of the fucked up "open relationship" circle of her bitch teacher. W - T - F.

That was extremely infuriating to watch. Not that I care about "shoujo", but in terms of who should get to bang her, this should be the ranking: 1.) Unknown guy from school who likes her, 2.) Mugi, 3.) Male Teacher, 4.) Raped on a public toilet by a homeless guy, 5.) that asshole from Akane-sensei´s fuck-circle.
Just ... have sex with anyone BUT that smug, all-too-confident asshole :/

And the episode ended with Mugi going down the same path, using that truly innocent childhood friend to fullfill his stupid desires.

God, this series is so upsetting.

Only positive: It´s all on track to follow the same fate as School Days. lol

[David75]

I understand how your filter influences your statement.
But what I see are only people who feel lost, insecure and try anything to fill some kind of emptiness or try to fight some fear by manipulating themselves and others.

As for young women behavior, that generalizing, but globally someone sure of themselves and assertive will score easier of course. Not only because of their attitude, but also because this is a bonus in your partners eyes. They probably aren't too sure of themselves and not too assertive, so it's kinda reassuring to them. There's probably an alpha-male factor in the score too.

At some point, understanding the other is very important too. They probably fear the same things you do. What you're willing to do to relieve their fears is key to success... And if you can't, it's possible they were in fact not the right person for you.

Regarding that anime, I like how everyone is so fragile and is ready to get out of their "I'm a good human" confort zone.
And somehow my libido likes that show

[MFauli]

Nothing you said is wrong, but it´s exactly this alpha-male bs that is so dumb, because you see these relationships ending badly so often times. It´s especially annoying since there is this documented behavior with women that are past their 30th birthday that suddenly grow aware of their fading desirability and change from targeting assholes to looking for those neat guys they rejected in their younger days. All of this is so common that it´s very frustrating for someone who´s not ... an asshole ;/

Regarding fragility, it would be nice, if it wasn´t all leading to the most fucked up developments I´ll honestly be surprised if the show ends without murder or at least attempted murder. Too many idiots

[David75]

The murder endings are a little stereotypical of US stories.
Someone bothers you, do not discuss, kill them
They messed with you, kill them
Shoot first, then talk...

The stereotype in Japan is more inclined towards suicide... And I think it really fits the atmosphere we've had till now.

But murder or suicide, that would be lacking.

They are all cowards and fear pain, but also anything too strong. Everything is in shades and nothing is too violent or strong.
I might be wrong, but the end probably will be like that, shades of mellow emotions.

As for the alpha evolution, well you either wait or date older women who know themselves and what they want... If they are not married or with children already...
Or find the ones that are not in the stereotype.

[MFauli]

Tbh I´d really dislike a "mellow ending of shades". I want a proper finale, an escalation of things. A clear cut ending point. It´d suck if this anime ended with ... everyone talking to each other, some crying, and then they go on with life as if nothing happened. Not saying that would be unrealistic ... but it wouldn´t be interesting to watch imo.

As for the last paragraph ... yeah, those non-stereotype women are the ones to find. They´re rare, though. And even when you find one, they´re tough to crack ;>

[Buffalobiian]

But what I see are only people who feel lost, insecure and try anything to fill some kind of emptiness or try to fight some fear by manipulating themselves and others.

Allow me to introduce: Borderline personality disorder.

I'm enjoying this show. The ecchi is always entertaining, as is seeing everyone tangle each other up in their mess. It's like some Ponzi scheme that is due to fail, with the participants staying afloat by dragging other people along into their game.

It's not right, but I can't wait to see how long it'll go for before things fall apart.

As for the last paragraph ... yeah, those non-stereotype women are the ones to find. They´re rare, though. And even when you find one, they´re taken

Fixed.

[shinta|hikari]

BPD sums this entire show up. The problem is everyone has it, making it quite predictable. At this point, the only innocent party is the male teacher. Everyone else is just scum, including Moka.

[MFauli]

I wouldn´t call the male teacher innocent. He´s shallow enough to fall for Akane´s looks, because it´s most obvious that he has no idea about her real persona and apparently doesn´t do anything to find out more about her, because he´s content with shallow talks and lots of embarrassed "noone talks, just staring at each other" sessions.

He´s the least terrible person-te iu kamo na ....

[shinta|hikari]

Wait, how is being dumb enough to be fooled not being innocent? That's what being innocent is.

Also, being dense doesn't make you a bad person.

[MFauli]

Being shallow makes you a bad person.

[shinta|hikari]

No it doesn't lol. It's not like you are hurting anyone by being shallow, except yourself maybe. It is not an admirable quality, but neither does it qualify to make anyone bad.

Take note that it isn't his shallowness that is hurting the main girl. It is her unrequited love that's hurting her. He absolutely has no obligation to respond or change his behavior due to her feelings.

Moreover, how do you know he is shallow? The woman acts nicely around him, intentionally so. He has no idea she is a bitchy whore. If he knew but still did not care, then that would make him shallow, like Mugi is.

[MFauli]

If he had any meaningful conversation with her, she wouldn´t be able to hide her true persona. That´s my point.

[shinta|hikari]

You're talking about a clash between a master manipulator versus an honest yet stupid nice guy, and you're betting on the dude?

You shouldn't gamble lol.

[MFauli]

At some point, being stupid becomes a liability and thus makes you a bad person.

[Buffalobiian]

When we say "bad", we mean malicious.

When you (MFauli) say "bad", you mean unhelpful.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 07

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Will the reveal be next episode? Assuming a 12 episode run, I'd expect that to be more at episode 10 or 11. Based on that timing, something else should happen...

... like.. Akane now being bored with Narumi and hunts for Mugi. That would really throw a spanner in the works since that sets up for (what the MCs think) is the ideal paring: Akane + Mugi, and Hanabi + Narumi (now available). Naturally I'm all for Mugi x Hanabi. Props to the VAs for making their convos sound completely chill.