Another filler arc? MHA has never HAD a filler arc. There's only, like, 4 episodes of filler in the entire series.Originally Posted by neflight86
Another filler arc? MHA has never HAD a filler arc. There's only, like, 4 episodes of filler in the entire series.
Fair enough. I mean a filler continuation with recurring filler characters like the seal hero from this one and the one in season 2.
I think it's just an opportunity to give fans what they crave, that the manga refuses to provide...more Froppy.
DUDE SHE ATE THE TURTLE.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Turtles are delicious.
She even gave it the chance to plead for its life in the open sea.
Peace.
... I feel bad for the sister who's trying to pull the Todoroki family back together. Its painful to watch her efforts be trampled on...
I personally feel that the key is the mother. I don't even know why she's locked up to be honest. She can't go around pouring hot water on her kids anymore anyway.
Plus, recovery girl was a thing then anyway.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Why not?
They're not dependant kids anymore, they're stronger than her, and they can have domestic violence orders against her. She doesn't need to be in a hospital.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Todoroki momma's admission to the mental ward is probably not voluntary, and requires some sort of doctor sign off on her mental stability before she can leave.
I remember in the old movie/book "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest", where the main character is made to realize that his ploy to get sent into a mental asylum (to avoid jail) backfired because self admittance was voluntary, but being admitted was basically a lifetime sentence unless you really convince a doctor you have somehow changed your brain. That's obviously not the dynamic here, but I can fathom that there might be a whole process to get her freedom back, when she decides she wants it...
Also, it has been a discussion for a while, so I though I might try to clarify how I think Recovery Girl works, to better delineate what she can and can't heal. As I understand it, all she does is speed up your own body's recovery, so only things that would already heal, given enough time, can be healed by her quirk. Lose an eye? Not growing back, even in the hyperbolic heal chamber. Break bones or skin lesions? Can do. Scars don't really heal, so she shouldn't have an affect on boiling water's damage. That also explains why All Might couldn't be rejuvenated by her earlier in the series. Organs were missing and so on. At least, that's how I understand it working.
Last edited by neflight86; Fri, 07-30-2021 at 10:02 AM.
I can't remember exactly how recovery girl worked.
As for Japan's mental health service, I ended up skimming through this:
http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?...42016000400002
tl;dr: for various reasons, Japan still hospitalises psychiatric conditions a lot while most of the world (including Australia, where I live), it's seen as a last resort, not a preferred resort.)
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Okay but...a person who is dangerous is not only a danger to her own kids.
Someone that pours scalding water on kids can't just be allowed to walk around freely.
I feel for her, too, but the truth is: They should have divorced after what happened. The mom should have gone to psychiatry (ok, apparently she did). The kids should have gone to a foster home or relatives.
A mother pouring boiling water into her son's face.
A father clearly abusing the son.
That was not the kind of home that ever should have a chance to keep going. That they're all together again now is only because "anime".
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
She showed immediate remorse. She doesn't pour hot water indiscriminately, there's a clear trigger and scenario around this.
She's not suffering from auditory, visual or commanding hallucinations either. As far as anyone's been shown, she retains insight.
To be honest, she doesn't even exhibit anything suggesting an Axis 1 disorder.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Doesn't sound to me like she is "locked up" at all.
her letter implies that she can't go outside at all because she has mental issues and is scared, not because she is forced and only allowed outside a few times a month by or something
So... why would/should they force her out of the clinic again when she is clearly not ready?
Because it's using a public resource.
I'm looking at this from the point of view of a public health service where all beds are pretty much a scarce resource, mental health beds included. If you don't need to be here, get out. Others do.
If this was a private hospital and they're paying via private insurance, then the insurance company would be on the doctor's ass regarding their progress - what's wrong with the patient, what can be achieved via staying in hospital and how long that'd take.
If this was some private place, they're paying out of pocket and she's staying because she's "scared" and wishes to live in a bubble/hotel and everyone involved is happy to pay for it - then she can continue living in a nursing-staffed hotel. Sure.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Yeah, and what if that same trigger happens when she sees a kid with red hair in the grocery store parking lot and she runs him over with her car.
I'm not really sure what kind of trigger you think would make that okay. "Well, when the get really stressed, they try and kill kids. But, c'mon, how often does THAT happen? It's probably fine."
Frankly, I don't think the 2ish minutes of screentime she's had across this series is sufficient for you to be drawing any conclusions as to her psychological profile.
If the doctors say she's no longer a danger, then fine. But someone that poured scalding water on her own child was either dangerously unstable, and needed to be in psychiatric care, or she's not...and she needed to be in jail.
She ALREADY harmed a child. You don't just get to be free to walk around after that, until someone determines that whatever was wrong with you is no longer wrong with you. Lest you harm ANOTHER child.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 08-01-2021 at 12:43 PM.
Why do you think she is mentally stable in the first place, so that she could leave?
I don't get your reasoning.
The show so far has shown nothing in that regard.
The opposite in fact, before episode 18. She's still extremely depressed, obviously.
Where would she even go to?
To the household that made her like this, when she is still recovering?
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 08-01-2021 at 04:43 AM.
The source of her stress is Endeavor.
She married him, and he kept harassing her for various reasons - usually to do with producing and rearing a suitable heir.
She became to despise Endeavor, and when she sees her children she despises them as well since they remind her of him.
One time she saw that, and threw hot water over Todoroki.
She immediately apologized and tried to cool his wound with ice (rookie mistake btw, use water not ice).
We're not shown direct evidence, but it sounded like she got the shit beaten out of her by Endeavor afterwards.
She landed in a psychiatric ward and has been there for like.. 10 years.
So what's her diagnosis that lead to her actions?
I'll actually answer your previous question first about jail - yeah, she should have gone to jail here.
Mental illness (if we were to diagnose this in the first place, more on that later) doesn't excuse you from crime. What does excuse you from crime was whether or not you had insight - Do you realise that what you are doing is wrong, and are you responsible for your actions? Sounds like she's 100% responsible for them.
When insight is impaired, then you are not in fact responsible for your actions. Mental illness is one explanation for impaired insight when it fits. Dementia is another. Technically alcohol and drugs are too, but society holds you responsible for taking these things so you can't just get pissed and kill people - so unless your drinks got spiked it's still on you.
Why did she try to throw hot water on the kid anyway? Todoroki looks like she saw someone she hated and wanted to do something to them. That's not a mental illness. That's poor impulse control. She hates a certain dude, and when other people look like that certain dude she tries to hurt them.The closest thing you can maybe chalk this up to is maybe PTSD- but she despises them, not fears them.. so that doesn't actually fit. She doesn't fit the diagnostic criteria for Impulse Control Disorder either from the available evidence.
Let's say it's PTSD/ICD then. What treatment has she had thus far and how has that progressed? From what we've seen, she's seen talking to her children. She's not seen fearing them or wishing to harm them in any way from available footage. When they mention her "progress" they say she's "getting out more" or some shit.
As for "where would she go?" - parents' home, your own house if you have the means, other homeless shelters if not. Not everyone who lived at home and has an existing "stressor" there lands in hospital for 10 years.
Back to mental health recovery, not everyone is symptom free by the time they leave hospital. Patients can have chronic suicidal ideation or hallucinations that they live with long term. Those who are diagnosed with mental health conditions related to their crime can be discharged on Forensic Orders where the State enforces them to take whatever treatment is necessary as an outpatient when suitable.
To be honest, if I was non-medical, I'd probably buy the "She did something bad and seems a bit crazy, she should stay in hospital" story. That's different when you work in an Emergency department for six years and get to see which psych presentations get admitted and which don't.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Sun, 08-01-2021 at 12:52 PM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
It basically boils down to, 2 questions.
1. Is she still dangerous? If yes, then she should not be free, period.
2. If yes to 1, then does she control her own action? If yes, she belong in prison, if no, a psych ward.
Well either:
A. It's different in Japan.
B. Endeavor is pulling strings to keep her there
C. Writer don't know nuthin'
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