Boku no Hero Academia

[neflight86]

An incarcerated terrorist leader is more useful than a dead one. Information, or at worst they could go for a war of the best ala one piece by announcing an execution.

Izuku wanted to respond to Bakugo's strong feelings, but he didn't forget his responsibility to his own body that has been drilled into him. Less than 10 episodes ago he said he would never again use 100 percent (lol, but for now he's kept that promise).

As for pinned down vs strength, the point was that Bakugo had him in a kill state. That posture, hand on face, is little different than holding a gun to your face. Unless you trained up your hard face suffeciently, he was being held against death; hence Bakugo won. You've seen this before in anime: sword to throat to show who "won" without anyone actually dying. Would you be as upset if it was sigaraki's fingers on his neck like the end of season 2? Why didn't his super strength save him then? Because his life was in someone else's hands, not because he was beat to a pulp. Super strength can't just counter everything.

[shinta|hikari]

An incarcerated terrorist leader is more useful than a dead one. Information, or at worst they could go for a war of the best ala one piece by announcing an execution.

Not if said terrorist leader has a multitude of powers that no one else can counter with All Might gone. Real terrorist leaders are just humans with no real risk of escape after imprisonment.

Izuku wanted to respond to Bakugo's strong feelings, but he didn't forget his responsibility to his own body that has been drilled into him. Less than 10 episodes ago he said he would never again use 100 percent (lol, but for now he's kept that promise).

Then he wasn't giving it his all. That was my point. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't make any judgments whether that was a good decision or not.

As for pinned down vs strength, the point was that Bakugo had him in a kill state. That posture, hand on face, is little different than holding a gun to your face. Unless you trained up your hard face suffeciently, he was being held against death; hence Bakugo won. You've seen this before in anime: sword to throat to show who "won" without anyone actually dying. Would you be as upset if it was sigaraki's fingers on his neck like the end of season 2? Why didn't his super strength save him then? Because his life was in someone else's hands, not because he was beat to a pulp. Super strength can't just counter everything.

Because Sigaraki can kill stuff he touches instantly. Bakugo can make explosions (still doesn't make sense how he isn't getting hurt from the feedback but whatever), but Izuku can survive those because One for All seems to make you tougher, and would blow Bakugo away from him if used point blank.

Of course, super strength doesn't counter everything, but it does counter grappling techniques. Grappling and pinning techniques rely on the use of weight and concentration of strength on weaker joints etc. But if you have super strength that can destroy boulders, you can just stand up normally because the weight and pressure on you is lighter than that of a child's to a normal person.

Also, it doesn't make sense how Bakugo didn't break any bones even after falling from such a height and propelled by a blast, even if he did land on Izuku.

[MFauli]

I think blocking 8% OFA is even more incredible when your quirk isn't about enhancing your strenght...
And I do not think Bakugo can create explosion on the surface of his forearms to get a counter force to Deku's hit.

It 's not just incredible. It makes no sense. Bakugo has a normal human body, no special shielding. A kick/punch from Deku should have smashed his arms when he was blocking Deku's attack.

[shinta|hikari]

The author should just backpedal and openly state that quirks give you physical enhancements in general. Like even Uraraka should have a tougher body than any normal human now.

[DarthEnderX]

You missed the point completely. If they are gonna treat him like that, why not just kill him and avoid all the risk?

Because executing prisoners is considered barbaric in many countries? Including Japan.

Uh, who cares about defusing the situation? Izuku intended to fight all out at that point. The problem is he still kept using a tiny fraction of his available power.

I'm not sure what's hard to understand about the fact that going "all out" for Deku doesn't include blasting Bakugo into red mist.

[shinta|hikari]

It's hard to understand because that's not "going all out." https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+all+out

He should just say I'll do what I can while keeping both of us from serious injury. It's like Naruto not using his rasengan while Sasuke uses his chidori wantonly during the kiddy brawl.

Executing prisoners is considered barbaric only if they can't wipe out the entire swarms of heroes once free, and the guy kept saying he's gonna escape openly to everyone able to listen to him in that prison... Pretty sure many governments, including Japan, just covertly snuff out bad elements when they feel the need to. A walking nuke, imprisoned but keeps insisting he'll escape, is a "need to" situation.

The idea I'm putting forth here is there is no real life example of a prisoner like All for One, so it's pointless to compare real world prisoners or laws when dealing with him. Special cases require special measures. That's the safest and most logical thing to do. The guy is an incarnation of evil and has no desire to change, which is generally what prisons are for.

Also, binding him like a roast like that for the rest of his life seems more barbaric than say, lethal injection or a bullet to the head while asleep.

[DarthEnderX]

Executing prisoners is considered barbaric only if they can't wipe out the entire swarms of heroes once free

Well, that's one opinion.

Another is that principles aren't something to be thrown aside as soon as they become difficult.

HeroAca's entire setting revolves around the idea of paragons of justice and virtue. All Might is basically Superman, and everyone else strives to follow his ideals. And Superman doesn't kill his villains, even though they'll inevitably escape and kill a bunch of people later. Because doing so would lower you to their level.

[shinta|hikari]

Did you even read the rest of my post?

Your reply implies that justice allows indefinite torture of a person. All for One is being thought-monitored, robbed of all movement, and basically robbed of all basic human rights (except living). And that is somehow OK versus just killing him.

Nice principles there.

[DarthEnderX]

Your reply implies that justice allows indefinite torture of a person. All for One is being thought-monitored, robbed of all movement, and basically robbed of all basic human rights (except living). And that is somehow OK versus just killing him.

To some people, yes. To a lot of people, killing is the worst thing you can do to a person. It's not even like they're torturing him. All they're doing is confining him. Granted, his confinement is very extreme, but it's not like they're waterboarding him or shocking him or anything.

If we go back to the Superman example, what they're doing to AFO isn't that different from imprisoning people in the Phantom Zone(depending on the writer).

[shinta|hikari]

I don't know where you are getting your facts when you say "to a lot of people, killing is the worst thing you can do to a person" especially if the alternative is eternal confinement with no ability to move or even think freely.

That said, I just stated that as a counter to your principles argument. That type of confinement is also not aligned with the principles you speak of, yet they are doing it despite all the risk it entails, and the monetary cost too.

It's just general hogwash of keeping a villain alive so he can escape at a later time. There's no real depth of thought behind this.

[DarthEnderX]

That type of confinement is also not aligned with the principles you speak of

The principles I spoke of were very specifically Superman principles. And it aligns with those perfectly

[shinta|hikari]

Oh okay. I don't know about Superman principles. I actually thought you were arguing real life principles for a second.

If it means letting innocent people die in the future by sparing the life of a mass murderer who openly refuses to repent, Superman principles are super... dumb. Which goes back to my point that this whole confinement thing is dumb.

[MFauli]

Just chiming in to say: principles suck. How many people had to die, because Batman keeps locking the Joker up instead of killing him?

At some point you have to look at a villain as some sort of disease: we didn't keep the black plague alive for 'principles'.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not that principles suck. It's that cliche classic superhero principles suck.

[DarthEnderX]

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That guy looks like Lucas from Mother 3! Only, like, 6 feet tall.

It's not that principles suck. It's that cliche classic superhero principles suck.

But this IS a superhero series. So it makes sense that that's what they'd have.

[neflight86]

And ripped... In the B&W manga, many folks thought he looked so similar to the "pip boy" mascot from the Fallout video game series that it became his meme name. With blue eyes, its not quite as similar. I wonder how far into the next arc they'll get before the season is done?

[David75]

It's not like multiple rapists, child rapists, killers have been put in jail, got out and starting doing it again almost immediately IRL.
At some point, fiction is only a mild caricature of what happens in real life.

[MFauli]

It's not like multiple rapists, child rapists, killers have been put in jail, got out and starting doing it again almost immediately IRL.
At some point, fiction is only a mild caricature of what happens in real life.

A convicted rapist will get life if he rapes again. How many times did the Joker re-commit crimes? And that's ignoring the sheer scale of their gruesome deeds.

Old-fashioned hero principles only mean that you're okay with more victims.

[DarthEnderX]

A convicted rapist will get life if he rapes again. How many times did the Joker re-commit crimes?

To be fair, it's not like Joker get's released after serving out his sentence. He escapes. No matter how many life sentences you give him, he's not serving them.

Old-fashioned hero principles only mean that you're okay with more victims.

Those principles are hardly old-fashioned. A lot of comic superheroes still have "no-killing" policies. It's not like kids these days aren't down with the Spider-mans.

And executing criminals is actually the older line of thinking. It's been around since the dark ages. It's not the hip modern way of doing things.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not about executing criminals in general, just the ones that are extremely dangerous and impractical/immoral to keep confined. You can't just apply blanket rules to everything. Judging by each situation, which can vary wildly, is more logical.