Boku no Hero Academia

[MFauli]

Kraco, but now we´re back to where we were before. Here, do you see a difference in the level of intent between these two situations:

1.) Mineta enters the changing room, stumbles over the hole, realizes what it is, wants to look at girls

2.) Mineta heard a couple days earlier that they´d use those changing rooms. Thus, he went there ahead of time, drilled the hole, and planned to look at some booty.

This really is what it comes down to. At least for me. I´m saying that situation #1 is okay and doesn´t make Mineta an overly bad person.

[Buffalobiian]

At least for me. I´m saying that situation #1 is okay and doesn´t make Mineta an overly bad person.

I'm going to infer that this makes #2 not okay for you then.

Please explain why spending more time and effort in preparing to peep at girls is less acceptable than spending less time and effort to prepare.

[DarthEnderX]

This is what happens when they skip a week.

Never skip a week Hero Academia.

I´m saying that situation #1 is okay and doesn´t make Mineta an overly bad person.

What it makes him is a person that doesn't respect women. Whether that makes him a bad person or not depends on your personal definition of bad.

You think it doesn't, because you have the exact same disrespect for women and nobody likes to think of themselves as a bad person.

[MFauli]

I´m sure you´d get in trouble for peeping in Germany, too, if caught. Accidentally walking into the wrong room, however, should be no problem.

What it makes him is a person that doesn't respect women. Whether that makes him a bad person or not depends on your personal definition of bad.

You think it doesn't, because you have the exact same disrespect for women and nobody likes to think of themselves as a bad person.

And that´s what I won´t accept and where I call you out as a SJW.
I´m against harassment. I condemn real rape. I´m for equality. I´m chivalrous where it makes sense. And so on. THE ONLY thing where I have an opinion that you could interpret as "anti-women", is my stance on coincidential peeping. What you´re saying is that I´m as bad as all those other people who harass, rape, discriminate, and so on. That´s a black and white view of the world and that I disagree with.

I'm going to infer that this makes #2 not okay for you then.

Please explain why spending more time and effort in preparing to peep at girls is less acceptable than spending less time and effort to prepare.

Because elaborate preparation shows an extreme intent that´s almost incomparable to entering a changing room and happen to find a hole. It´s apples and pears. An analogy would be killing someone because you chose to, and killing someone in self-defense.

[Kraco]

An analogy would be killing someone because you chose to, and killing someone in self-defense.

No, the analogy would be planning someone's murder for half a year and then executing the plan, or simply getting angry and clubbing the person dead in the heat of the moment with whatever suitable object happened to be closest at hand.

[shinta|hikari]

An analogy would be killing someone because you chose to, and killing someone in self-defense.

You just won the internet for 7.2 days.

[shinta|hikari]

I think of myself as a bad person. I'm cruel, manipulative, cold, vengeful, spiteful, and overly zealous in my efforts to hurt those I don't like.

[fireheart]

This whole thing is just hilarious to read while waiting for a new episode.

Anyway my view is that he had the intent to peep before he went into the changing room, why else would he search the wall? Or maybe you should say he wasn't intent on peeping but hoping for the lucky break of getting to peep when he entered. Unless you have a better reason for why he was searching the wall between them and the girls, it's not like we've ever seen him just search walls and rooms out of curiosity.

Also as for Darths nothing - murder, not sure if I got it but it seemed like Mfauli misunderstood, it's not that it's nothing or everything rather you either are a murder or you aren't. The spectrum is there just that it was an extreme example to show you either are or aren't something. So in terms of respecting women you either do or don't, you don't just respect them sometimes and at other times don't respect them. If you go back and forth between the two then you lean more towards not respecting them. As for why peeping is disrespecting shinta had a pretty good argument for that.

By the way according to German law can a person just strut into the girls changing room take a look at everyone and then exit and it's not a crime because they didn't take any pictures? I mean it's harmless... right? Besides the fact that it's not so secretive

[DarthEnderX]

Also as for Darths nothing - murder, not sure if I got it but it seemed like Mfauli misunderstood, it's not that it's nothing or everything rather you either are a murder or you aren't. The spectrum is there just that it was an extreme example to show you either are or aren't something. So in terms of respecting women you either do or don't, you don't just respect them sometimes and at other times don't respect them.

That's pretty much the gist.

What you´re saying is that I´m as bad as all those other people who harass, rape, discriminate, and so on.

No, I'm saying neither of you respect women. They are obviously much worse than you, but the fact that you don't respect women still applies.

Again, to go back to the "stealing from a register and robbing a bank" example. Both of them are "thieves", but obviously the bank robber is a much worse version of a thief.

What you are saying is basically, "I don't rob banks, I don't rob convenience stores, I don't steal cars, I don't take people's wallets. I DO take fruit from fruit stands, but I'm not a thief." You ARE a thief though, because it only takes ONE of those things to make you a thief. You aren't NOT a thief just because you don't do MOST of those things.

Disagree, simply because I don´t see Mineta having committed a crime on the level of murder in any way whatsoever.

And nobody is saying he did. Do you not know what the fuck an analogy is?

[MFauli]

No, I'm saying neither of you respect women. They are obviously much worse than you, but the fact that you don't respect women still applies.

And I still won´t accept this generalization. I think accidental peeping isn´t that bad. And because of this ONE thing, I´m supposed to disrespect women? Disrespect them in general, in any situation? Yeah, no.

Again, to go back to the "stealing from a register and robbing a bank" example. Both of them are "thieves", but obviously the bank robber is a much worse version of a thief.

Within that analogy, I´d be closer to someone buying groceries who had his bag open on the ground, then some product fell into the bag, which I only notice when I´m already back home.

And nobody is saying he did. Do you not know what the fuck an analogy is?

I refuse any analogy that somehow attaches murder to what Mineta did. That´s the kind of nonsensical escalation you´re also attempting when you label me is "disrespecting women".

[MFauli]

Disagree, simply because I don´t see Mineta having committed a crime on the level of murder in any way whatsoever. Basically, he had no choice but to peep. ;>

[fireheart]

I'm kinda curious though, so peeping and not getting caught is fine morally in your opinion. What's your stance on peeping and getting caught, morally? Or is it the same even when the victim knows about it.

[MFauli]

The difference between getting caught and not is the follow-up events. Getting caught will have more or less serious consequences. Not getting caught will literally have no effect, not to you, not to the "victim".

And just for the record, I can remember that when I was a teen, I once accidentally entered the girls´ lockerroom, because the changing rooms were always confusingly distributed at our school. I turned around and walked away, the end. No police, lol.

[Buffalobiian]

Mineta peeking is like self defence.

I'm done, lol.

[MFauli]

Mineta peeking is like self defence.

I'm done, lol.

I kinda liked that idea :P

[Kraco]

You should rewatch the episode. There was nothing accidental whatsoever in what Mineta was attempting to do. It's about as accidental as, using your grocery store example, you saw some ADHD brats wantonly throwing and kicking products around and you opened your bag to "accidentally" catch a few of the items, supposedly not noticing how they mysteriously landed straight in your bag.

[Munsu]

"Accidental peeping" LOL. That's still your description of that scene? Man you're fucking delusional. Which is sad.

[shinta|hikari]

Another sad thing is people are still compelled to continue this "discussion" when clearly one side refuses to even consider changing his mind, regardless of what happens. Talking to a wall should've gotten old fast.

[MFauli]

@Munsu: I explained that. Ofc there was intent. But only after Mineta accidentally found out about the hole. Which I feel is very different from knowing about the hole before entering the room and being dead set on peeping. Agreed? And stop being sad. Nobody´s sad

Another sad thing is people are still compelled to continue this "discussion" when clearly one side refuses to even consider changing his mind, regardless of what happens. Talking to a wall should've gotten old fast.

I "refuse to change my mind" as much as you do, don´t you think?

[Kraco]

But only after Mineta accidentally found out about the hole. Which I feel is very different from knowing about the hole before entering the room and being dead set on peeping. Agreed?

Not agreed. There's no difference whatsoever. If he was the one who drilled the whole, there would be the difference of being guilty of damaging school property as well, but that's it. Unless you live in Russia, China, or equivalent, intention alone doesn't mean anything (there are no thought crimes), so it's pointless to ponder when the intention exactly started. I kind of doubt if somebody was found in possession of detailed plans of how to conduct peeping, he would be criminally charged (in the West), unlike planning terrorism, murder, or such.