Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu

[shinta|hikari]

Yes, because I'm a very logical person. That doesn't mean I don't feel emotions, but I always think before I act, and part of that thinking process is making sure emotion isn't clouding my judgment. If it does, then I'll reevaluate if I'm fine with that outcome. If not, repeat the process until it resolves.

The problem with Subaru right now is he isn't thinking calmly despite given many chances to do so. Most people can only screw up once. He has done so for many times now. Learn from your mistakes, dammit. Gather information, make calm decisions, seek advice from the right people, stop ranting and raving like a maniac/child.

Resets negate the effects of tragedy because it negates all the consequences. Why do people get traumatized when they see their loved ones murdered in front of them? Because those loved ones die. If they are fine again the next day, that's not a tragedy. That's a dream.

That's exactly what Subaru has been experiencing thus far. Dreams. The "tragic reality" always vanishes like nightmares until he gets the happy end. That's happened twice now.

How am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy again? It's one thing if he tries his best and does all the right things and still fails (like Okabe). It's different if he rants like a kid, gets shamed again and again, blames everyone else except himself, does all the wrong things, gets people involved, and STILL doesn't get any results.

He really should get Betty's help. She can teleport shit for crying out loud...

Oh, and the crazy guy with invi hands scene was a repeat from Rem's cycle. It's like the author went Bleach on us with that one.

[Buffalobiian]

What I´m not sure about: The general that got killed by the wale, as the coachmen told Subaru, was that supposed to be Reinhard?

Whoever he is, he's alive. Otherwise, no one would remember him.

[MFauli]

Whoever he is, he's alive. Otherwise, no one would remember him.

good point!

[Edort4]

He could be dead. Just not killed by the whale.

[NeoCybercoin]

Poor Subaru, killing Emilia just because he wanted to tell her the truth.

[KrayZ33]

The amount of cliffhangers are killing me at least as painfully and often as Subaru has died in this show.

[shinta|hikari]

Irrelevant cliffhangers because we all know he's gonna reset.

[KrayZ33]

It never was about whether he does or does not reset for me.

Big suprise, the MC will most likely win at some point.

[shinta|hikari]

The problem is all this "tragedy" and "suffering" is pretty much meaningless. Just die and do over.

That doesn't really work in other stories. People die when they are killed.

[MFauli]

It´s really not meaningless. Seeing loved ones die, over and over again, takes a toll. And no, knowing that it´s not real does not make it better. I can factually tell you that, as I had a nightmare last year, a really shitty one that included something bad happening to family members of mine. I woke up and knew it was a dream. But I felt ill for almost a week after that night. And Subaru isn´t just dreaming. He experiences as if it were real AND he doesn´t WANT to reset! You´re forgetting that Subaru isn´t exactly eager to commit suicide. That actually only happened once, and last episode displayed his desire to stay alive.

Do you think Okabe´s mental worsening in Steins;Gate was unwarranted? Because he should have kown that he can always reset?

[Buffalobiian]

This entire post is Okabe spoiler. Let us know if you haven't seen this show and would like us to stop:

Well Okabe was despairing because nothing was working, but at the same time he was trying everything. He'd let Mayuri die in his runs to learn more about his enemies. He consciously uses his lives to plan ahead.

At the same time though, he doesn't actually die traumatically. He just jumps.

[shinta|hikari]

Buff is right. Okabe was smart about his loops. Subaru isn't.

@Mfauli - But Subaru already killed himself once. That means he can do it again. That suicide jump was relatively painless, so why doesn't he just do it instead of continuing a timeline where Rem isn't there? I don't get that part. So he's so afraid of dying that it's okay for Rem to cease to exist as long as Emilia is saved?

And I'm pretty sure knowing that things will reset DOES make it better. This might sound cruel, but forgive me because I'm just trying to make a point. What if that dream you had wasn't a dream? According to you, it being a dream doesn't make it better. So that means, you'll feel exactly the same if whatever happened in that dream actually happened. I really don't think that's the case.

Also, anecdotal evidence isn't fact.

[MFauli]

Exactly that was the case. The feeling of the dream transferred into my reality and stayed with me for 2-3 days. Was terrible.

Also, buff isn´t agreeing with you, shinta. He´s saying that Subaru has even worse mental stress than Okabe. The latter only had to jump back in time to try again. Subaru has to DIE to accomplish that. It´s on a whole different level. "He can do it again" you say. I guess we´ll have to agree to disagree, because that is nothing anybody can prove or disprove. I stand firm that nobody would get used to dying. Not after a single time, anyway.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm not saying Subaru shouldn't feel anything about the loops, actually. I'm saying WE shouldn't feel anything as viewers. Because we know he's gonna reset.

That said, I'll be the devil's advocate and continue arguing about how much of a pussy Subaru is. There is in fact evidence that he CAN do it again. He's looped several times now, and if it's repeatable, that means it's reliable. "What if it suddenly stops and he dies?" That's like saying what if gravity suddenly stopped and we all die. There is nothing to suggest that the loops are gonna stop so far, so chances are leaning very heavily on the loops continuing. That, and this guy knows about anime and stuff, remember? He knows about stories like this. He even named his ability to loop. He pretty much relied on it several times throughout the story, thinking he can just go back to fix stuff. Now, he suddenly seems to have forgotten all about it.

Fuck Rem! I dun wanna die! Yeah, after that girl sacrificed herself for you so many times. What the fuck.

Also. an ill feeling staying with your for 2-3 days is different from it actually sticking with you forever because the bad events were real and immutable.

Buff was making 2 points, one leaning towards mine about Subaru being a dumbass, and one towards yours, about traumatic deaths. I just agreed with his first point.

[David75]

The only positive fact is that by staying longer, he can grab more details and data about several places, friends and enemies.
But it's only useful if he can somehow get over his mental stress.
One thing to note about his character: he's a shutin teenager. Of course it hurts and its difficult to deal with life and death situations in a violent environnement ruled by powers you don't understand, facing people who have survived this for all their lives...
It's like suddenly living in a country plunged in a civil war when you never ever encountered violence... Even at 40, I'm not sure I would like and tolerate the experience.
And since the reset only heals his body, I can understand why behaves that way.
Doesn't mean I wanted to watch that in my anime list...

[shinta|hikari]

And since the reset only heals his body, I can understand why behaves that way.
Doesn't mean I wanted to watch that in my anime list...

This. Understandable is different from entertaining, or even tolerable.

Just a note, I never said Subaru's condition is unbelievable or unrealistic. It's just fucking annoying.

[MFauli]

I´d say it has become annoying by now, because they spent 3 or more episodes on showing us his "new" pathetic side. Episode 15 was enough. Episode 16 emphasized it, gave it more breadth, okay. But did we really need episode 17? We get it, that´s how Subaru really is or has become or whatever. Now go on, tell a story!

Since David mentions it: I´m still curious, if his shut-in status plays into what´s happening at the moment. It´d be interesting, as it would explain why that was mentioned at all in episode 1, because Subaru NEVER behaved like a shut-in until ep 15. But it´s also difficult to judge, because the current Subaru could easily simply be the result of dying and witnessing death again and again - something that would break most people´s mind.

[KrayZ33]

Subaru's behavior should be perfectly understandable by now (and it's perfectly realistic too). It's time to show us that he can overcome this somehow... or not, if they wants to go for a tragic ending similar to what happened after he got kidnapped by Mr.Sloth. (which is very unlikely of course).

The reason why I'm not bored yet is because the things going on so far are very interesting. And the resets are still exciting and suspenseful, I have no idea why someone would write them off as "he can just start again", because he or we never know at what point he'll be brought back to life. Right now for example, what if his savepoint is @ post white-whale encounter when he woke up next to Ram? Even if he respawns in the capital, it's still interesting to see what Puck will do and how he'll react, how it will influence him and it's also interesting that he can see Sloth's "invisible hands", suggesting that he got a powerup. It might even have to do something with his condition of not being able to tell anyone about his ability... after all, it looked like the "shadow-hands" embraced him this time around, instead of restricting him or squeezing his heart.

The resets tell us so much about what each of the characters think about Subaru and since he remembers that, it's always interesting to watch their next encounter.

[shinta|hikari]

We know he'll reset before the tragedies because it's Re:Zero, not Grimgar. If they were going for a tragic story, they would've permanently killed one important character already.

I have no idea why someone would write them off as "he can just start again", because he or we never know at what point he'll be brought back to life.

But we do. He always goes back to the same save point until he overcomes the trials. That's what the entire first half of this show has hammered into us. I'm more surprised people are actually in suspense that this might randomly change for no real reason.

[KrayZ33]

That's some stupid logic.

On top of that, his reset is after their breakup too, which got him in this mess in the first place.