Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu

[MFauli]

God, FUCK Garfiel. What a hateful, little piece of shit. No matter what any of you say, unlike Rem who killed Subaru once, Garfiel has no issues murdering anything in his way, innocent people who have no chance against him. I hate his dumb attitude so much, he sounds and behaves like BnHA's Bakugo, which also is a terrible character. Fuck him so much. I really hope he doesn't become Subaru's friend at the end, fuck him, no forgiving him.

I haven't felt so good for Subaru in some time now.

... right after feeling super bad for him xD

[DarthEnderX]

I'm going to assume for the moment that going beast mode causes some kind of loss of control for him.

[MFauli]

Then it's his fault for entering beast mode. And he was an asshole last episode, too, capturing Subaru, torturing him and leaving him locked up.

[DarthEnderX]

Then it's his fault for entering beast mode.

True enough. But when you gotta win a fight, you gotta use your final form.

Guessing Ram pushed him to his limits.

[MFauli]

True enough. But when you gotta win a fight, you gotta use your final form.

Guessing Ram pushed him to his limits.

Who he told he wouldn't do more than twist her arm.

[DarthEnderX]

I feel like maybe you project yourself a little to much onto Subaru, because you seemed to get legitimately angry every time someone fucks with him, even though him getting fucked to death is main thing that happens in this series.

[MFauli]

Wat

I'm upset how this asshole Garfiel is supposedly an ally, yet under absolutely no severe circumstances has no issue murdering as many people as it take. And when Subaru's next life starts, he'll probably go back to a true ally and Subaru forgives him :/ Hate that-

[shinta|hikari]

I hate this Garfiel guy so much. He fucking killed Otto!

This arc must end with him dead or mutilated.

[DarthEnderX]

And when Subaru's next life starts, he'll probably go back to a true ally and Subaru forgives him :/ Hate that-

Well obviously. Because he knows better now.

Although he already should have, because Frederica TOLD him he was dangerous as fuck. But Subaru forgot that because the first couple time he managed to win Garfield over.

It's EXACTLY the same thing that happened with Rem. He befriends them on his first time through, then forgets to befriend them the next time, then gets surprised when they kill him for acting all crazy and suspicious and smelling like evil. Because he forgets he's a stranger to them.

Well, he's not likely to forget how dangerous Gar is again.

[KrayZ33]

This would be less of an issue for me if I'd actually understand his reasoning.

I don't quite understand how he sees Subaru.

I can only imagine that he sees him as a hard-core cultist?
It's a bit messed up in my opinion. Is he not killing him because he thinks Roswal will kill him if he does?

[DarthEnderX]

I can only imagine that he sees him as a hard-core cultist?

I assume that's it. He stinks like the Witch, and he keeps doing weird, suspicious stuff.

Is he not killing him because he thinks Roswal will kill him if he does?

Probably because he's not 100% certain of Sub's guilt and doesn't want to kill Amelia/Rem/Roswal's friend if he doesn't have to.

[shinta|hikari]

Biggest nonsense here is that Subaru was able to do the trial, and they just ignore that clearly important fact. Being a cultist doesn't give you that "right".

Kidnapping and imprisoning a suspicious person without proof of wrongdoing is grounds enough for punishment in my book.

[DarthEnderX]

Biggest nonsense here is that Subaru was able to do the trial, and they just ignore that clearly important fact. Being a cultist doesn't give you that "right".

Apparently it does, since it's the Witch that's making it so he can take the trial.

He's not supposed to be able to take it. The fact he can makes him seem more like a cultist, not less.

For that matter, do we know he's NOT technically a cultist at this point? He's pretty willingly consorting with a Witch.

[MFauli]

I mean, in the end, Garf's behavior simply isn't acceptable. So what if Subaru was a cultist? DISCUSS IT! But no, use lethal violence instantly. And if Subaru was such a dangerous cultist, why is he so weak? Makes no sense for Graf to use such violent force. He's an asshole, plain simple.

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, in the end, Garf's behavior simply isn't acceptable. So what if Subaru was a cultist? DISCUSS IT! But no, use lethal violence instantly.

Yeah, and if it turns out Subaru was a Betegeuse, he and everyone he knows dies because he tries to have a discussion with him.

And if Subaru was such a dangerous cultist, why is he so weak? Makes no sense for Graf to use such violent force. He's an asshole, plain simple.

Just because someone is weak doesn't mean they can't be incredibly dangerous. See: Cultist who planted exploding rocks in wagons last season.


I really feel like you guys aren't looking at this from any perspective other than Subaru's. These people live in a world where they can be brutally slaughtered at any time and, unlike Subaru, they don't get do-overs.

Subaru is a guy with a massively evil aura. If he's not extremely careful with how he acts, people ARE going to kill him before he can do anything. Rem killed him and he didn't even DO anything bad, he just didn't do enough good to win her over. And Garfield is clearly WAY more rash and jumpy than Rem.

[MFauli]

So does Garfiel think everyone else is stupid for trusting Subaru then, or what? His beloved Ram, Roswal, all falling for Subaru's trick?

[shinta|hikari]

Add to that the fact that Subaru was trying to escape the barrier in that episode. He wasn't sneaking around doing random stuff. He just wanted to leave. So instead of talking it out when you clearly have enough power to ask for surrender, you just start slaughtering them. Surrender is also different from discussion, just to make sure no one conflates the two.

Also Garfiel threatened and hunted down Otto just for knowing he lied about Subaru's predicament.

He is a selfish evil bastard. Just because you have reasons to do something evil doesn't mean you aren't evil.

Yeah, and if it turns out Subaru was a Betegeuse, he and everyone he knows dies because he tries to have a discussion with him.

Except they already had a discussion with him. If he had such deadly abilities, he would've use them at this point to kill everyone, or at the very least escape imprisonment much earlier than he had. It is nonsense to think that you just jump to imprisoning him or killing him without any discussion or negotiation when you know he is weak as shit.

Apparently it does, since it's the Witch that's making it so he can take the trial.

He's not supposed to be able to take it. The fact he can makes him seem more like a cultist, not less.

For that matter, do we know he's NOT technically a cultist at this point? He's pretty willingly consorting with a Witch.

The witch of greed did give him that right, but they don't know that. We know that as the audience, but they have no idea why Subaru is able to do it, not even Subaru himself. At that point, instead of knocking him out and jailing him, they should've questioned him to know more.

[KrayZ33]

After the trial the witch scent got a lot stronger though and that is what bothered Garf as far as I understood it.

What I don't get is that in one life, he is like "please try and do the trial" and in the next he doesn't want him to do the trial and starts being extremely hostile.
I don't quite understand what exactly is causing the shift in his perception of Subaru when the interactions are not really noteworthy from Subaru's side of view, especially since his mind is at the Villa, not at the Sanctum, all the time.

[shinta|hikari]

I think what triggered the difference is Subaru saying he wanted to take the trial in place of Emilia and that he already cleared the first part. Still, I don't think that warrants the hostile reaction.

[DarthEnderX]

So does Garfiel think everyone else is stupid for trusting Subaru then, or what? His beloved Ram, Roswal, all falling for Subaru's trick?

I mean, it's not like magic that alters people's minds exists in this world or anything.

Oh wait...

So instead of talking it out when you clearly have enough power to ask for surrender, you just start slaughtering them. Surrender is also different from discussion, just to make sure no one conflates the two.

He TRIED a nonviolence by imprisoning him first. Subs stays locked up till Amelia finishes. Nobody gets hurt. But then he broke out, his non-violent solution failed. Now it's time to violence.

He is a selfish evil bastard. Just because you have reasons to do something evil doesn't mean you aren't evil.

I'm not saying he's a good guy. He's a Bakugo-ass character. He's violent and rash. He is literally a caged animal. And his actions are in keeping with that kind of character.

The witch of greed did give him that right, but they don't know that.

They also don't know what did do it. He's not supposed to be able to take it.

You're acting like the test is some kind of benevolent spirit, and that they should be treating him being able to take it as confirmation that he's a good and worthy person. But it's not, it's a magic trap thing that he is somehow able to circumvent the rules of. That's suspicious, not reassuring.

After the trial the witch scent got a lot stronger though and that is what bothered Garf as far as I understood it.

What I don't get is that in one life, he is like "please try and do the trial" and in the next he doesn't want him to do the trial and starts being extremely hostile.

I feel like you already stated the solution.

He took the first trial, and came out smelling way more evil. Therefor, letting Subaru take the trials must be evil.