Ayame is so hot.
Ayame is so hot.
It's pretty safe to say not a single person in this story ever realises anything at all. Biba a chronic liar and intends to destroy the whole capital killing all the people indiscriminately. Ayame knows that since she saw what he did in the previous town and all the way along the way to the capital. Yet she chooses to believe that apocalyptic man's empty promises that he would for some reason spare her few remaining people while he's busy watching tens of thousands of others get slaughtered. Yeah, right. Maybe Biba has a sense of humour and won't directly kill Ayame's folks but will instead simply kick them into the streets filled with kabane and tell them to survive the best they can.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
It's unbelievable how this capital fell right after they boasted of their impenetrable defences. Defences we saw were worth shit. It's a miracle the place stood as long as it did.
This story turned into shit. Good riddance and jolly good it's almost over. If absolutely everybody, of course including Ikoma and Mumei, die in the last episode, I will have some sort of small satisfaction. Ayame preferably needs to die right after seeing her precious folks getting eaten by kabane.
What made this story so stupid from the start, is how little anybody cares about those cities! This is a world overrun by zombies, by invincible zombies to boot from the perspective of normal folks. So what are we being shown? Beginning city is destroyed. We see another ruined city. And then Biba intentionally breaches another city so zombies can enter it. Shit like this doesnīt make sense. Itīs about as intelligent writing as Cell in Dragon Ball. You know, Cell wanted to beat and eat everyone ... then what? Sit on planet earth in hope for an enemy to visit from space for all of eternity? Thatīs how stupid destroying cities in the world of Kabaneri no Koutetsuyou is. And I donīt care about any pseudo-reasoning like "Biba wants to show that only the strong survive" or whatever bullshit. If you intend to keep living at all, keep those cities alone!
The second big bs point is that instead of making the kabane into menacing enemies, we now have all this in-fighting between humans/kabaneri. This kinda follows the above, but STOP FIGHTING, the world is full of murderous, infectuous zombies! Fight those!
It also didnīt help that I didnīt care for any of the characters. Everybody is so shallow. This kinda culminated in ep10, when as soon as Ikoma proceeded with ONLY his fat friend, I thought "yeah, okay, his friend is coming along so he can die for some drama". And ofc that happened.
Iīm glad itīs almost over and I Shingeki no Kyoujin to return, donīt bother with these cheap stand-ins.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Maybe this is your first post apocalyptic anime/game/movie/series?
"Some men just want to watch the world burn" fits Biba's case rather nicely. It's not about him wanting to make the strong rule the world, its about him wanting revenge on every freaking coward there is. I doubt it matters to him if he has somewhere to live or not after doing that.
That being said, Attack on Titan is no different. You'd see people gladly sacrificing the outer walls, they don't care. No one cares, it's the same in any movie that's similiar to this one. Bandits will use it to their advantage too. Infighting will always be normal, we even have real-life examples of this happening right now. It's not the writing that's fucked up, it's humanity.
Kinda odd that you'd gladly have Attack on Titan, which is pretty much 1:1 the same. Some biased and baseless babbling right there imho.
The difference being numbers, specifically number of episodes and Mikasa not being 12 years old.
Peace.
Could do without the cheap stab.
I donīt think that is true. The most outtest outer wall is sacrifized, but thereīs 2 reasons playing into this: 1.) the king truly doesnīt care at that point, and 2.) these people do not know how to fight back! Itīs not for naught that recapturing the 2nd inner wall marks a big change in the story. Also, after losing the first wall, even royalty started feeling the consequences.Kinda odd that you'd gladly have Attack on Titan, which is pretty much 1:1 the same. Some biased and baseless babbling right there imho.
Besides that, Shingeki no Kyoujin has infintely more interesting characters and truly frightening enemies. And in-fighting only happens within the context of titan-danger.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
The Attack on Titan maincast is just as shallow as this one's, they are all one trick ponies.. The main character is actually the *same*.
Mikasa isn't much different from Mumei either, with the exception that Mumei followed the bad guy while Mikasa went full MC support.
After they lost the first Wall, corruption still ran deep, the population still didn't want to fight and even started to see the walls as "god's gift" (they always did though) and I don't remember what it was, but the priests considered doing something to them as blasphemy. Nothing changed at all.I donīt think that is true. The most outtest outer wall is sacrifized, but thereīs 2 reasons playing into this: 1.) the king truly doesnīt care at that point, and 2.) these people do not know how to fight back! Itīs not for naught that recapturing the 2nd inner wall marks a big change in the story. Also, after losing the first wall, even royalty started feeling the consequences.
Also, in Kabaneri's case, the population doesn't know how to fight back either, they never do... that's why it's post apocalyptic in the first place, something unmanageable has to happen to get it into that state.
On a side note, we have humans turning into Titans in Attack on Titan that somehow believe it's cool to destroy the gates and walls, sacrificing the population that part of the population that is actually not infested by fat men holding the strings, to trigger something. Similiar to what is Biba is doing actually...meh, pretty much all the same for me.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 06-25-2016 at 09:56 AM.
You made some good points, but this one just doesn't work. It's too reductive.
Everyone complained when Mumei went polar directions in terms of her character with each passing episode, and I think the general consensus was that her emo brat scenes were so bad even the fact she was 12 couldn't save her.
Compare that to Mikasa, who is like the epitome of consistency. She just loves Eren, period. She doesn't ever whine, is bad ass without being emo, and actually thinks!
So I disagree. Mikasa is very different from Mumei. The only things similar are their combat prowess and the M in their romanized names.
Peace.
I was more or less refering to their mindless stalking.
Mikasa doesn't think on her own, she does what Eren wants and she'll do what's necessary to both follow and protect Eren.
Mumei is a drone too. Though she changed sides somewhere in between just to be talked into someone who has absolutely no trust in herself by someone who, how we found out later, was considered a traitor/or unworthy of Biba (that was os stupid). I'm not even sure anymore how it all happened, she was afraid of being thrown away or something... which is also somewhat similiar to how Mikasa acted when she thought Eren dead. No longer were they calm and calculating etc.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 06-25-2016 at 10:12 AM.
Biba can be as crazy as he wants, but that doesn't explain all the people following him. Did he just tell them that lets kill all humans and leave the world for the zombies, and everybody was all "Sure, why not? Super cool!" There's no way that could happen. Most of the fuckers with him would want to have women and booze and an easy life when all is said and done. Biba never really hid anything from his troops since he needed them to pull off parts of his plans independently, including the plans of decimating human cities.
That being said, I still can't help but think that this wasn't his final goal, and thus he's not a crazy bastard who wants to destroy the world (he's still a crazy bastard wanting something else). The poor writing just didn't help to deliver any message.
The people following him seem rather crazy themselves.
The doc, that guy "making deals"...
They were also portrayed as rather fanatic.. maybe actually believing that Biba will bring change to the world and fight back the infestation and corruption.
See "The Ear" for example.
And he clearly did not tell his troops everything. Otherwise Mumei wouldn't have been so suprised.
I'm not really defending this show btw, I'm just suprised that people would think this show would turn out much different than how it currently is.
The only significant flaw I'd point out would be Mumei's absurd behavior, but once I found out she's 12... and kids are fucking stupid and annoying as fuck in movies/tv shows.. it didn't suprise me that much either.
I've yet to see a show doing it much better tbh. I'd even love to see it. It's really generic, just like the shows it tries to/does copy.
It's still cool for the atmosphere and steampunk stuff though.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 06-25-2016 at 10:27 AM.
From the start I've said, and it bears repeating because it's true and important, that the problem is the lack of development. Mfauli's complaint that the characters are shallow is because they haven't had the time to develop or grow on the viewers. Mumei's randomness is because there was no build up to her personality fluctuations. Biba's seemingly nonsensical plan was never explained all that well, and the loyalty of his subordinates, especially Horobi, was never given background.
I imagine if the execution had been much better, even if the plot arrives at the same exact spot as right now, no one would be complaining.
For example, why the heck didn't Ikoma use the berserk drug as a last resort? It would've been more fun to watch him look like a shounen hero for half an episode at least before he takes the zerk drug when cornered. That's a simple change that would make that development flow better.
Peace.
Iīd be able to accept Bibaīs behavior if one of two things happened:
1.) Thereīs actually like a hundred more cities that we simply havenīt been shown, yet. So sacrifizing 2-3 cities is not as devastating to the whole of mankind as this anime has made it look atm.
or
2.) Biba is in possession of a magical sure-fire weapon of mass destruction that, once activated, kills all kabane at once. And everything heīs doing right now is just a sort of cleansing the world from certain figureheads he doesnīt like.
If heīs just set to ruin everything, then heīs a villain on Dragonball-levels of stupid, except DBZ has the benefit of being a rather silly anime at its core anyway. Also what Kraco said, convincing so many people to help him ruin the world is just dumb.
And Mumeiīs behavior simply didnīt make sense in how it changed. Her being 12 doesnīt help it, it only makes her sexy body creepier.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I agree with this context.
But yeah, the anime has become a huge disappointment. I'm shutting off my brain, and I'm ready for it to be finished. The action hasn't been as elegant as it was earlier either with very few exceptions.
Plot and development... well nothing to say more on that regard.
Anyways, aside from the more gayish haircut for Ikoma, bonus points for going all Ash on us:
That's exactly the guy I imagined when he did the gun hand thing.
Peace.
Episode 12
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Well, thats over. I'm just gonna pretend like this never aired, because thinking about it any more would only be frustrating.
They say gays have better taste. Looks like it's true.
The episode itself was alright. There's no real satisfaction with the ending since all the development was either inconsistent or rushed, as previously discussed. There's no message to take out of this, and no sense that anything's changed in their world.
Biba's motivations are all over the place. It's interesting to see how Boku Hero Academia did so well by following an old formula while this trainwrecked so hard despite its solid start. Props to being an anime-original story I guess, since those are always encouraged.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I can never understand how tragedies like this can happen. If even a semi-competent person was present in its production, this waste of ideas and yen would've never been allowed to exist.
I could dismantle this last episode to lego pieces, but I have better things to do with my time.
Everything done, all I can say is train woman and Ayame FTW.
Peace.
Ayame and Kajika were really the only two characters who came off looking good through the whole series. Ayame was willful enough to stand up to people with more power than she had, but also strong enough to forgive people for being assholes. Same with Kajika, but to a lesser degree. She just kept moving on with life and getting things done rather than succumbing to tragedy and despair.
I'd include Yukina as well, but she didn't really have any character development whatsoever.
Lol, pretty much what I was going to see. Glad itīs over and I can go forward.
Just one thing: Itīs frustrating that all the effort (animations, artstyle, music) was wasted on such a story. Think about any great manga youīd like to see in anime-form - it could have been that one, had it not been for Kabaneri. Ma nee ...
Question time: Do we know if Hiroyuki Sawano is doing music for any of the summer seasonīs anime? Yeah, Kabaneri turned out badly, but anime with Sawano music are always worth checking out at the very least.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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