ROCK LEE IS BETTER!!!

[PuppetMaster Kankuro]

Lee. Neji was stunned when he saw the gates open. Lee is also so fast i think he may be able to dodge that 64 final strike attack whatever the hell it's called.

[jing]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serpico &#064; Dec 8 2003, 10:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No offense Jing but it is absurd to think that Lee, who has been getting his butt kicked by Neji just about every day for 2 years would actually wear weights and handicap himself, when he knows he loses every single time. Obviously his speed you keep talking about is nothing for Neji. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Okay i understand what you&#39;re saying and I partly agree. But we must agree that the anime likes to surprise you with many things, such as taking off weights and ultra high speed that we have not seen anyone do up to that point.... don&#39;t forget even kakashi said he was fast, but he didn&#39;t compliment Neji, so there&#39;s gotta be a difference in speed and that rock is much faster than Neji.

Edit* okay i think it was alot of my fault that this got side tracked. Its talking about 64 hands VS. Gates.
So hes trying to say which one would be a better attack. if thats the case then i chooose 64 hands. Actualy you cant even compare these 2. One stops ur chakra flow in ur body, the other is a double edged sword. they both do different things. okay now that i have apologized, lets also not talk about how neji can do 64 hands and Kaiten at the same time. So lets forget about kaiten for now. cuz he isnt asking for that.

[brightdark]

@serpico
yeah I know I think I have watched too many chinese movies and transfered some of them onto naruto

anyway yeah that showoff against sasuke could have happened more than that one time

but we still do not know whether or not lee actually has tried renge/weight take off against neji

gai is responsible for lee and neji
so I think he is watching over them very carefully(he has to after giving out such deadly techniques to little kids)
even outside training sessions
and then there is that turtle..&gt;&lt;

[Xeo]

&lt;I&#39;m taking out this post myself. Thank jing for warning me quickly that it&#39;s a possible, but not intended spoiler.&gt; I&#39;m just not sure I can spoil because I don&#39;t read ahead of the anime in the manga.

[jing]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xeo @ Dec 8 2003, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Lee&#39;s got the speed to run around in circles, and if timed correctly he might actually be able to hit Neji. But that being said, Kaiten might be able to repel the bandages used in the Ura Renge.
It&#39;s actually much more even that we think, but as long as Neji can defend himself while Lee has his gates open Neji doesn&#39;t even need to fight to win. But that&#39;s the big question can he defend again lee who can not only attack 360º but also up down and everywhere. Lee has trained specifically to beat Neji, and with that final move he used on Gaara he had a good chance. But can he land it? According to Gai, Lee can and he should win. It&#39;s all a matter of execution. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
okay after all the apologizing i just did. . . you had to go ruin it. . .

[Baka-chan]

i&#39;m gonna go with lee. his speed is crazy, and would most likely get past neji&#39;s defense like he did with gaara. lee&#39;s the man

[Nightmare]

but you guys have to remember, firstly Lee would have to be in Neji&#39;s range of &quot;divination&quot; and with always moving around he would never get him&#33;
&amp; secondly, Neji&#39;s move close all chakra holes, if that does work on Lee, it wouldn&#39;t matter that much would it? since Lee doesn&#39;t mold chakra he uses his stamina directly to pull off this taijitsu moves

[Shino_i luv]

rock lee would win no matter if his leg and arm were ripped off&#33;&#33;&#33; he is just like that him and beautiful eyebrows would thrash neji&#33;&#33;&#33; ....poor neji&#33;

[Serpico]

Xeo, Jing was not saying you posted a spoiler. He was saying our arguments were off the topic of the poll, and that you got us off topic again.

You didnt post a any spoiler so dont worry about it. I think the argument is still on topic though, the description does say &quot;who will win the match&quot;.

[Kn1ves]

So its settled, Rock Lee&#39;s only power is Speed. Neji has an absolute defense, a superior fighting technique and better chakra control.

You be the judge.

[SeGee]

now now, dont underestimate speed.. and the gates. Besides, lee can also use chakra

[Neji-AK]

Neji&#39;s taijutsu STYLE is better then everyone elses... not his ability to use it...
Dont confuse status w/ ability...

Just because you have hyuuga style fighting, doesnt mean, someone w/ normal taijutsu cant hand ur ass to you...

[Kn1ves]

Dont underestimate absolute defense then... it isnt called that for no reason

Also, Lee cant defend himself from a full blown chakra attack since he doesnt know how to control it defensively.

All Neji has to do is, instead of making a lil shield of chakra, is just to concentrate a full blast on rock lee, stun him fomr the getgo, get him in hakke range and screw him over.

All rock lee can do is sit there and get his ass beat some more.

[Kn1ves]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neji-AK @ Dec 9 2003, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Neji&#39;s taijutsu STYLE is better then everyone elses... not his ability to use it...
Dont confuse status w/ ability...

Just because you have hyuuga style fighting, doesnt mean, someone w/ normal taijutsu cant hand ur ass to you... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Rock lee is using normal taijutsu, meaning its the lowest form.

If Neji can peform the most superior form of taijutsu, dont you think he can perform normal jutsu even better?

&quot;normal&quot; neji &gt; &quot;normal&quot; rock lee
=
&quot;advanced&quot; neji &gt; &quot;normal&quot; rock lee

[Neji-AK]

now your just assuming kn1ves...

i believe gai said &quot;lee is a taijutsu specialist who wont lose to anyone&quot;

just because neji uses Jyuuken doesnt mean someone who uses gouken cant beat him... and just because neji uses jyuuken, doesnt mean he&#39;s good at gouken...

just because its the &quot;lowest&quot; form of taijutsu, doesnt mean he cant beat someone with the &quot;highest&quot; form of taijutsu...

[Kn1ves]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neji&#045;AK &#064; Dec 9 2003, 01:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> now your just assuming kn1ves...

i believe gai said &quot;lee is a taijutsu specialist who wont lose to anyone&quot;

just because neji uses Jyuuken doesnt mean someone who uses gouken cant beat him... and just because neji uses jyuuken, doesnt mean he&#39;s good at gouken...

just because its the &quot;lowest&quot; form of taijutsu, doesnt mean he cant beat someone with the &quot;highest&quot; form of taijutsu... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
whos assuming now???

ur little arguement about jyuuken vs gouken, why would neji use gouken in the 1st place if he can use jyuuken?&#33; thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

besides, your little quote from gai was an opinion from the heart, not an actual fact.

&quot;Neji-AK will never keep his mouth shut, no matter what&#33;&quot;

See what I mean?

[FuzzyEyebrowz]

Question: When gates unfasten... is it the increased chakra flow released in general, or the increased chakra flow to the parts (arms, legs, etc.) that increases his strength, speed, etc.

I guess what Im saying is...
Say Neji closes all tenketsu... he stops chakra flow to certain spots... doesnt mean he doesnt have any left in him, he just cant mold it to the striken area... which is why they cant &quot;feel&quot; the chakra... but Im assuming it still exists within their body.

With that said, say Lee&#39;s tenketsu&#39;s are closed... can he still open gates? Im assuming so
With gates open, is his &quot;temporary powers&quot; still gonna be how it was vs gaara?
He doesnt mold chakra in fights, cause he cant&#33;(?)

In other words... does Lee&#39;s inability to mold chakra/use nin/gen-jutsu, counter neji&#39;s ability to control tenketsu&#39;s?

[Serpico]

Guys when Lee opened his gates we could literally see the chakra pouring out of his body. If he is sealed its just not possible.

And in the last episode preview Naruto also says he feels like he has no chakra at all, not just that he cant control it.

[Davidironfist]

The most used argument is that Lee got whipped by Neji when they where younger but that doesn&#39;t have anything to do with their current levels, Lee &quot;says&quot; &quot;I was going to use this technique to defeat you Neji...&quot; So I could be just as childish and say: &quot;Lee said it would defeat Neji so therefore it will&quot; but Im going to be logical and say: Even if Neji is a genius he wouldn&#39;t (as far as I know) be able to keep up with Lee&#39;s speed and speed is the most important thing in any martial art (trust me, I know) If a guy who punches through solid rock and could take a 100kg rock to the face would fight someone who &quot;just&quot; could break a log but was able to outrun a cheeta and dodge bullets, who would win? Eventually ur defense will break and since Lee is as strong as he is fast he would have the upper hand, but if the defense doesn&#39;t break (Wich it probably wouldn&#39;t since Neji&#39;s supposed to be almost undefeatable (if he&#39;s not fighting Naruto that is)) Neji would just have to wait until Lee&#39;s was completley exhausted and *bang*

[Neji-AK]

thats aside from the point

all i said was &quot;I believe gai said this&quot;

then i said earlier &quot;Just because you have hyuuga style fighting, doesnt mean, someone w/ normal taijutsu cant hand ur ass to you... &quot;

what was I assuming?
I never once said anything about bring a knife to a gun fight...
no shit neji is gonna use jyuuken

you were the one who said, &quot;if he can use jyuuken, dont you think he can use gouken better?&quot;

my statements were &quot;just because of this, doesnt mean this cant happen&quot;
your statements were &quot;because of this, he must be better at this...&quot;

see where im goin with this?