Maybe their base stats are actually already increasing as they fight, we just can't see it.
Maybe their base stats are actually already increasing as they fight, we just can't see it.
Peace.
I wouldn't say they are stronger...they are more efficient with their methods and weapons. That does go a long way.
How would you know that though? Maybe like skills, their ATK damage plainly increases as they level up. It's just not visibly displayed in a stat box like in SAO. The Vice condition for demon summon reeks of RPG mechanics.
Peace.
The fact they have to buy new skills, however, is very game-y.
And the problem I have with "efficiency" is that it might work against goblins and other smaller enemies ... but when you fight something like a dragon, you have no spiel to try things out. You need the stats to allow for even a chance at victory.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
You seriously expect these folks to fight a dragon? Not in a million years. Plain old ogre would be far too much for them to even dream about.
Of course they have got stronger already. They can routinely beat lone goblins. Their first fight against a single goblin was beyond pitiful, but now they make short work of them. What exactly got stronger about them is semantics. But since they have been walking and running a lot plus fighting with their gear on, they probably have built some muscles and dexterity. Needless to say, their fighting skills have improved as well, which makes it a small miracle they all survived the fights considering they never train. If they really want to challenge bigger groups or tougher monsters, they ought to start training, that's for sure.
That's what Mfauli was getting at. If stats actually increase like a game, they WILL eventually be able to slay dragons. They just need to grind enough and fight gradually stronger enemies.
However, if this is indeed a real world type scenario where the human body limits what they can do, then yeah, dragons would require ballistas and entire armies to defeat.
Peace.
Nah. This already isn't a real world type scenario since there's magic and some other stuff we haven't seen. However, I have a feeling this is closer to a real world scenario than many jollier fantasy in the sense that some people have more potential than others. The original bunch of waking people split in two, and the other group already earned enough money in a few short days to promote themselves, whereas this MC group of lesser people were struggling to simply feed themselves. Although I'm inclined to think it's as much a problem of attitude, but sheer (lack of) talent probably plays a role as significant. After all, talent is only fostered by a suitable attitude. I have repeated it to death, but their lack of training is also a matter of attitude and keeps them much weaker than they'd need to be.Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
So your stance is basically that this world has no stats, right? I'm not entirely sure with how you answered.
In a world with game stats, physical strength and speed are determined by numbers. Stats are boosted by exp or training, so talent plays little part on limiting that parameter. Talent and attitude will affect the speed they level up, but it won't do a thing about the stat cap.
That means if they keep slaying goblins, they will eventually get stronger and be able to beat much stronger enemies. In a more realistic scenario like you illustrated, some people will NEVER be able to beat anything beyond what their genes allow.
Peace.
We don't know yet that much. What we do know, though, that in the beginning there were much stronger and much weaker people waking up in the tower. If you took random joes and jolies from the street, it's likely some of them could kick more ass than others, for various reasons. So, we do know all of these folks didn't start as equal level 1 n00bs. That's pretty much all we do know. Being able to buy skills doesn't mean much. You could do that in our world as well. Like take a first aid course or a language course.
However, since they don't have consoles, and in fact they wouldn't even remember any fancy game mechanisms from their original world (since all they remember are random words), it's safe to say their progress can't really be measured in experience points or numerical attribute and skill points.
I actually prefer this way.
Ep 4 is out.
We still don't know how they learn the skill but they can properly use it. They just need to get used to actually using it in battle. I think that after the next episode things will go a bit faster.
And their struggle now has meaning/form with the loss they just had.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Nice, they actually dared killing of someone, and as I said, it would be either Manato or the thief guy.
But this is where itīs weird again: So they learn skills like in a videogame. But that arrow kill ... HOW would "being stronger" help you here? Thereīs no system in place to guard you from such sniper shots, so from now on, itīs absolutely scary because you have to take into account insta kills all the time. And even a really strong character from a strong group would be vulnerable to such a shot.
Itīs weird.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
When watching, you can think of ways agaisnt such kills:
Spells and skills to react to the arrow quickly enough, or have it miss, or have light yet strong armor in key places, or spirits/demons protecting or warning you.
Also in that case he didn't die immediately, but running around and delayed action probably helped in the conclusion.
The others were clueless in how to deal with the situation.
It felt as if they ran far too long when they weren't even followed. Instead of assessing the enemy mouvements and regroup at the right time and try to guard Manato and someone to help him.
Even Manato didn't react quickly enough. I'm pretty sure the other mage could've help finding ways to help him reach that difficult place.
Manato's loss is showing how noob they are to that world. And yes, they spent too much time in a dangerous place, becoming sitting ducks.
Edit: and it was more of a one shot kill, than an instakill. Manato had quite a lot of time before dying. Time they didn't use efficiently to find a solution
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
The moment they mentioned that their priest was their vanguard, I knew Manato was doomed.
Arrows can be blocked by armor, but priests wear robes. Healers should always be kept in the safest place, and the party should always keep items to heal the healers. Those are RPG basics.
But this was expected too. The male to female ratio of their party was ridiculous for a shounen LN. Now they are gonna recruit a cute girl priest and Haruhiro can now NTR the dead Manato by screwing all the girls.
Peace.
RL has no magic or RPG elements but we still have an unlimited amount of skills one can learn. Like has been said numerous times before, these folks had next to no combat skills. If combat didn't need skills, there would be no military training in the world and everybody would fight like the pitiful Isis fighters. Of course in anime in general people sneaking around, apparently practising stealth, are more often than not blabbering incessantly, yet it myseriously brings forth no consequences whatsoever with the enemies never hearing anything even in the middle of the night. The same goes for a number of other related skills.
I'd bet this group was always going through the same places in that same big former human city, leaving behind corpses of goblins and doing little to hide their presence and tracks or make themselves more unpredictable. Furthermore in all the episodes so far we had seen the goblins depicted not as mindless monsters but beings that don't want to get killed and obviously possess a working intelligence of their own. What happened in this episode was thus only a matter of time. Yet this group failed to understand it. Perhaps this was their much needed wake-up call.
The old priest couldn't have had a better voice actor, that's for sure.
All priests need to have that voice.
Not when you wanna do TV parish.
Peace.
episode 5 is out
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yeah, biggest disappointment of the season. I LOVE the realistic approach, but god, this dreadful pacing.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
3 good things about this episode:
1) Haru breaking down. He was closest to Manato but the one trying his best to keep everyone together. He never had the chance to just grieve, which he deserved more than anyone.
2) Yume actually liking contact devoid of romance.
3) Mary, a priest who actually knows what the hell she is doing.
Everything else was pretty dumb. The pacing is utterly horrible. We did not need 2 bar scenes. We did not need all that emoness from Ranta. Actually, this entire show is much much worse with that character. I have no idea what the creator was thinking.
Manato was an idiot. He took on too much, letting his party spoil and rot. That eventually led to his death.
Peace.
This is actually quite amusing if you think of this story as the other side of the common setting. While Renji's bunch is the usual MCs of shows like this, the MCs this time are the nameless folks who die pitiful deaths when the evil attacks for the first time. They are so weak it's not even funny, but like this show said about the goblins, they still struggle to live on.
That being said, it was quite heavy torture to keep watching through the bar scenes of the dudes feeling sorry for themselves. These people lacking money yet still doing nothing but emptying beer mugs shouldn't have enough pride to refuse pity. Somehow they did.
I hope Mary's coldness kicks some sense into them. Or perhaps they will just die one by one.
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