Heavy Object

[MasterOfMoogles]

I don't think anyone's ignoring the criticisms? I agree that Kamachi's writing is generally pretty bad. If you're going to watch the show, you'll have a lot more fun not complaining about all of these things.
I'm just trying to explain that it's not so completely ridiculously unbelievable as some people are making it out to be. That doesn't mean it's bulletproof though.

You just have to take "Objects are synonymous with war" on the same level as "Academy City is a place where people give drugs to students to make espers". If you deny the basic premise, of course the show doesn't make any sense.

You definitely shouldn't go into Heavy Object thinking "This is going to be a good hard science political war drama".

[shinta|hikari]

Totally agree.

I mean, the largest crisis in the first episode was when the elite semi-loli pilot almost died due to a seat belt malfunction and an unnaturally pure boy.

[Buffalobiian]

If you're going to watch the show, you'll have a lot more fun not complaining about all of these things.

I don't know.. I'm actually having quite a bit of fun complaining about all of these things.

[shinta|hikari]

Just don't go overboard.

[neflight86]

Funny enough, I had none of these misgivings until I came here, but now it all sticks out like a sore thumb. I don't like feeling foolish for suspending my disbelief for this one episode but a strong case is made by the generally negative reactions here. Hope this can only get better?

[MasterOfMoogles]

You shouldn't let people requiring hard science from something like Gundam, Star Trek, or Heavy Object detract from your enjoyment of a show.

I expect it to get more exciting once we actually get into a battle.

[Kraco]

I doubt anybody's going to complain about the same things after every episode, at least to this extent. I know I won't. Although that being said, even ignoring the implausibility, like I also said in my earlier post, the character introduction seemed a bit weak as well. Unfortunately that means my two major requirements in a series, good story and/or good characters, had both an unpromising start here. I'm willing to give the show a second chance, however.

[MasterOfMoogles]

I'll agree that Quenser and Heivia weren't really likable this episode.
They're basically just goofball teenagers who don't really seem to understand what they're involved in. I think that's fine though. Not all characters need to be mature or flawless.

I do like like that the pilot isn't completely the quiet type.

[shinta|hikari]

Froyletia is really weird. Why the hell would you eat the leg meat if perfectly normal kabobs are cooking? And why the hell would the whole leg cook faster than sliced meat?

[KrayZ33]

because they put it on it first.

[Edort4]

This show makes no sense. Nuclear deterrence isnt there cause you cant kill one enemy unit but because even if one side is vastly superior they can be retaliated upon.

So... yeah you have an "object", cool. I just wiped 99% of your population. Go ahead and kill my military. And that even assuming that the object idea is pretty stupid. Thick armor, shock absorbers, etc can wistand a nuclear explosion. Dont think the same about all the turrets, cannons and exterior equipment. Also that 1st object... never heard about torpedos? Writer never thought why destroyers (with unbelieveable thick armor) are no more?

There is so much stupidity (characters are boring as hell and as usual pilots are 15 y/o grils) invested in this show that I can even argue about. Just gonna erase it from my memory and keep going on as if never happened.

[shinta|hikari]

because they put it on it first.

Do you even know how long a whole leg needs to cook compared to-

Oh, you were probably kidding like I was.

[David75]

These objects are heavy. Is it to say they are weak against fragile ground, like in Lelouch attacks?
What about oceans?
Do they roll at the bottom? Float? They can do both?

I guess the all-purpose vs specialized HO could be an indirect answer...

[Munsu]

I think we've figured out the way to increase discussion in this forum... have one terrible series premiere.

[Ryllharu]

I think we've figured out the way to increase discussion in this forum... have one terrible series premiere.

This is how I can tell you haven't been around for a number of seasons in a row.

A sufficiently popular but analytically terrible series can even attract the likes of Y.

[Munsu]

This is how I can tell you haven't been around for a number of seasons in a row.

A sufficiently popular but analytically terrible series can even attract the likes of Y.

Or... it's my mere presence increasing the quality of discussion exponentially. You're welcome!

[shinta|hikari]

Or... it's my mere presence increasing the quantity of discussion exponentially. You're welcome!

Fixed that for ya.

[MasterOfMoogles]

This show makes no sense. Nuclear deterrence isnt there cause you cant kill one enemy unit but because even if one side is vastly superior they can be retaliated upon.

So... yeah you have an "object", cool. I just wiped 99% of your population. Go ahead and kill my military. And that even assuming that the object idea is pretty stupid. Thick armor, shock absorbers, etc can wistand a nuclear explosion. Dont think the same about all the turrets, cannons and exterior equipment. Also that 1st object... never heard about torpedos? Writer never thought why destroyers (with unbelieveable thick armor) are no more?

There is so much stupidity (characters are boring as hell and as usual pilots are 15 y/o grils) invested in this show that I can even argue about. Just gonna erase it from my memory and keep going on as if never happened.

Ever watch a Gundam show?
Metals with magical properties and teenager pilots exist there, too. Having some new way to do stuff in the future that is super effective tends to be a sci-fi/futuristic media trope. Teenager pilots, well, that's mainly a Japan thing.

On the topic of nukes, I don't think anyone ever wants to pull the trigger on mutually assured destruction.

[shinta|hikari]

The odd thing is, how did a nuke even manage to hit an object? Shouldn't it have blasted away the missile with a laser miles away?

Teenage pilots make sense if you grow them to be pilots. That, or all the older ones are dead (muvluvluv)

[MasterOfMoogles]

Who knows. Could be the prototype hardware, the pilot, or the support crew. It would have made a lot more sense if it had blown it up from pretty far away and still been semi-damaged from the blast. Then it would have been more believable that the guns on the side it was hit on could fire.

If I had designed the scene, I would have had it shoot down the nuke from far away, detonating it but still taking massive damage. Then the Object would just rotate 180 degrees and fire with guns on its back.