Drifters

[Kraco]

I don't really see why Jesus would want to annihilate the humanity. That's my biggest problem with the Christ theory. Anime/manga usually depicts Christians as evil, but it's not like in the past the church wouldn't have been full of zealots and especially in the past priests were guilty of great many crimes and even today misconduct is still discovered regularly all over the world. However, there's still a big step from that to making Jesus the source of all evil when he's depicted as such a jolly fellow in the Bible and would rather offer his other cheek as well if he's hit on one cheek.


Episode 8


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As expected, Nobunaga fell totally in love with the gattling gun. There's still a long way ahead of them to be able to replicate it and produce ammunition. Not to mention without industrialisation it's going to be a bitch to make enough ammution of sufficient quality for such weapons.

[Kraco]

Episode 9



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It almost seemed like they used all the new gunpowder in this single attack. While it all was pulled off quite nicely, I wonder if killing the commander was wise for future prospects. The fleeing soldiers will tell the tale to others, which means no commander will want to surrender again. Thus they will conquer new forts this easily only if the grunts decide to rebel.

Now that they have the dwarves and the smitheries, they should build cannons as well. If that building sized greater dragon joins the enemy forces, they need all the cannons they can get.

[Buffalobiian]

Thus they will conquer new forts this easily only if the grunts decide to rebel.

That should be the case though. "If we surrender, the commander dies but the rest of us live". If the commander refuses to surrender after hearing this story they'd be painting themselves as selfish folks.

I wish the archer guy was a girl, like how I originally thought he was.

[shinta|hikari]

I wish the archer guy was a girl, like how I originally thought he was.

Don't we all.

[DarthEnderX]

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Lots of fun. Looking forward to season 2. Lot of the secondary characters didn't get to do shit yet.

[Buffalobiian]

I know the Black King is 99% Adolf Hitler from all the build up, but with that healing ability he really should be Jesus. Since when could Adolf heal? He was a talker through and through.

[DarthEnderX]

Since when could Adolf heal?

Since when could Joan of Arc shoot fire?

[Buffalobiian]

Since when could Joan of Arc shoot fire?

Since she got burned at the stake apparently. So did Adolf do some healing right before he died?

[NeoCybercoin]

Nah, pretty sure it's Jesus. Since he already died for mankind he does not want to save it again. So now he'd destroy it and save the other kind. Monsters.

[lelouch]

Didn't they say that the founder of Orte was Hitler? Not the black king. Pretty sure it's either Jesus or Kanye West

[Buffalobiian]

The founder of Orte was Hitler. Hitler tried to unite everyone and save the humans. That led to Orte humans constantly fighting and suppressing other races. Then suddenly Hitler disappeared and this Black King appeared. Black King hates all humans and consider them unsalvagable. Instead he brings civilisation to the monsters.

The story is hard-selling Black King as Hitler.

[Kraco]

I don't buy Jesus being the Black King. Why would he ever want to destroy humans? I could understand wanting to save monsters, but not by destroying humans. He's the turn the other cheek kind of guy. If this is from the same author as Hellsing, he should know at the very least that much about Christianity. It would be meaningless to call him Jesus but not retain anything that makes Jesus Jesus.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't buy Jesus being the Black King. Why would he ever want to destroy humans? I could understand wanting to save monsters, but not by destroying humans. He's the turn the other cheek kind of guy. If this is from the same author as Hellsing, he should know at the very least that much about Christianity. It would be meaningless to call him Jesus but not retain anything that makes Jesus Jesus.

Your assuming that because he knows anything about Jesus means he's going to write him exactly the same way the Bible writes him.

Jesus from the Bible might not be anything like Jesus the person in this series.

Especially given that, Jesus being the person he is is founded around him being the son of God. What happens when that person who allows himself to be sacrificed on the cross ends up, not in heaven with his father, but in some weird fantasy dimension instead. You might even come to the conclusion that your entire existence up to that point was a lie.

[Kraco]

Yeah, I get that, but he's not Jesus then, is he? Being able to heal doesn't make one Jesus. I'm not some bigot, that's not why I'm arguing against this, but because I don't see the point of taking a really well-known historical (or so they say) person and then making them totally different from all the lore. That might fly just fine in one of those moe girl series where cute girls only carry the names of historical figures for no particular reason and then do the same kind of things cute anime girls do in 1001 other series.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, I get that, but he's not Jesus then, is he?

Why not?

What makes him Jesus is what he did in our world. Once he dies and comes to this new world, he doesn't have to stay the exact same person he was in our world.

Especially when the existence and circumstances of the Drifter world kind of makes his entire life in our world a lie. Why would he continue to be the same person he was in our world after finding out none of what he believed there was true?


Also, you don't actually think the real Nobunaga was this weird cartoon character do you?

[Kraco]

after finding out none of what he believed there was true?

Why is that? What was not true?

Also, you don't actually think the real Nobunaga was this weird cartoon character do you?

No, but I would think he was a competent military leader and strategist considering his historical reputation and achievements. Apparently he wasn't exactly a model daimyou either, behavior wise. Everything fits together with his character in this show.

[DarthEnderX]

Why is that? What was not true?

I'm pretty sure Jesus figured after his crucifiction, he'd be joining his father, God, in the kingdom of Heaven.

Instead he got some guy in a hallway that sends him to another world full of more pain and suffering.

Is his conclusion "Well, I guess I just have to do it all again here." or is it "Everything I believed was a lie..."

And if it's the latter, would that not cause him to rethink his entire existence and the way he lives it?

[Kraco]

I don't think the biggest religion on Earth would be based around a guy so flimsy he would reverse all of his beliefs when facing one more trial. I reckon he would just sigh really deeply and try to save another world.

I'm not saying it can't be Jesus, but I don't see the point of it. The Japanese anime studios (and mangaka) are obsessed with evil Christian priests, so making Jesus the boss of the villains would certainly fit their tastes.

[shinta|hikari]

Let it be Jesus just for fun.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think the biggest religion on Earth would be based around a guy so flimsy he would reverse all of his beliefs when facing one more trial. I reckon he would just sigh really deeply and try to save another world.

To hear the Black King tell it, that's exactly what he did. He tried to save humanity, but they rejected him in this world.