Take note though, that a "typical" shounen world has its share of parody and comedy elements. Moreover, I'm pretty sure OPM, even excluding Saitama, exceeds most shounen shows in that aspect. Many examples have already been mentioned in the previous posts, but Mumen Rider is still the best one.
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No, that isn't. "Outside of Saitama's power origins" is what you've been saying.. as if Saitama himself was okay, except the way he got his power.Originally Posted by MFauli
Not that he's OP, not that he doesn't give a shit about altruism.
You called out Saitama's power origin as the single element that turns this into undeniable satire.
I actually addressed this here:
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
So Buff, do you want argue for argumentīs sake or actually understand what I mean? Youīre right, I said the originīs of his powers are the single cause for parody. And that is what defines Saitama!11 For crying out loud! sigh. If Saitama had a reasonable origin, then itīd change every scene with him and his enemies. Then weīd know that there is a way for other strong people to exist or that there is a weakness or anything. Saitamaīs "I donīt care about the world" attitude is the result of his power. And thatīs what Iīve been saying.
What I donīt understand is your perception that Iīd somehow claim OPM isnīt parody, when I wrote several times now that it is and that Iīm not saying it isnīt.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
No, Saitama's attitude (and the comedy that brings) is not the result of how he got his power. It's a result of being unmatched. How he got his power is irrelevant to the comedy that ensued in the rest of the show, with exception of Genos wanting to know about it.
Even if he was actually from an alien planet and got sent to earth in a capsule, if he is that OP, the rest of the story stays the same.
If you disagree, please site specific instances (like I said, excluding Genos) that invalidate the parody aspect of the show if you change Saitama's power origin.
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The only joke that actually RELIES on the origin of Saitama's power so far, is the one in the 3rd episode where he tries to explain it. Cause it's never really come up outside of that.
@MFauli: I am not of the impression, that you don't think this is parody.
You said that this show can be read as serious, funny shounen or parody depending on how you interpret scenes. You say that the only element that can not be read as serious/funny (and therefore can only be interpreted as parody), is the origin of Saitama's power. This is how I understand your argument, and I disagree. Shinta has just talked about why everything else doesn't relate to the origin.
If you're after an origin, I'll give you one right now. Saitama ate a special fruit dropped from space. It came from an asteroid from a now extinct planet. There are no more fruits of this kind. No one can become more powerful by eating this (extinct) fruit.
There's your origin.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Why a fruit? Can't it be cake? Everyone loves cake. Except me.
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And hereīs why the parody indeed hinges on his powerīs origins: The current "explanation" is so ridiculous that having him be unmatched can never be contested. Never! He didnīt do anything special to become stronger than everybody else, so how can there ever be someone of equal or greater power? Iīm sure most of the other heroes did A LOT more training for the entirety of their lives, yet are vastly inferior to Saitama. No matter what kind of strong monster or alien or whatever is introduced, there is currently nothing to make the assumption that Saitama would be outclassed/have troubles in a fight. Because his powerīs origin is untouchable. They could have as well said "well, I never did any sports. One day I decided to lift a 10kg bell bar for 10 minutes and thatīs how I became this strong". Itīd be the same result. His powerīs origin is so ludicrous that him being "unmatched", as you say, can never be put in question. Because there is no tangible basis on which to overpower him. And thatīs why his powerīs origins are the single parodic element.
You can take ANY scene you want. If Saitamaīs powers had a proper origin, then there could be a real plot. Like an evil organization secretly studying Saitama (akin to Lex Luthor stuyding Superman). There could be aliens from outer space with similiar powers. There could be others who undergo the same training as him. Etc etc. Having a proper explanation would make his power tangible, if not attainable. For peteīs sake, a simple power scouter-device like Vegeta used to wear would let the bad guys know what theyīre in for. But youīll never see a scouter, because the show would never reveal Saitamaīs limits (as of now, at least).If you disagree, please site specific instances (like I said, excluding Genos) that invalidate the parody aspect of the show if you change Saitama's power origin.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
You're not talking about the origin anymore. You are talking about expanding an aspect of the show that was intentionally left a mystery for comedy's sake. It is an intentional subversion of the usual shounen power-up trope, which you seem to have some weird attachment to.
You basically want a different story that is not a parody, which we all knew from the start.
And like I said, Mumen Rider is clearly a parody element that has nothing to do with Saitama, so, and I quote, "And thatīs why his powerīs origins are the single parodic element." is wrong.
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YES I AM. Stop moving the goal post. Iīm very clearly talking about the origin and elaborating on why it matters. If you deny that, then we can finally stop debating. Makes no sense if you arbitrarily interpret my postings in ways theyīre clearly not meant to be read.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
An origin can be a one liner, like the ones Buff and I provided. What you want is an entire arc or plot behind that origin. Those 2 things are clearly different.
And seriously Mfauli, no one actually wants to debate with you about this topic. Everyone is just indulging you for... reasons.
Nice job ignoring the Mumen fallacy I pointed out btw. It'd help if you argue with less sweeping generalizations. You sound like Trump sometimes, and that is not a compliment, as much as you'd like to think it is.
Peace.
So, people, regardless of what MFauli's definition/thoughts/extrapolation of "origin" is, this is why he's umm.. passionate:
Saitama is OP and no one can touch him. No one can copy him. He's trolling everyone and there's nothing you can do about it. I don't like that. - or something to that extent.
Tell me where I'm wrong MFauli.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Change "I donīt like that" with "thatīs what makes it a parody, not necessarily all the rest" and weīre good.
@shinta: lol, I donīt want to debate all this either and I heavily suspect youīre just in it for some major trolling. But i find it rather annoying that my well articulated, lengthy postings are being partly ignored so you can keep disagreeing. For the n-th time: Iīm not denying you the right to call OPM a parody. It is this. It is also this.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I actually don't understand you anymore. I give up lol.
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At least you admit to trolling
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I never trolled you. I insulted the fuck out of you, but I did it while trying to educate you about parody. I failed.
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so you do say that this series is a parody... the thing is that small detail changes the aspect of the whole series...
But I donīt want to be educated about "every aspect of OPM is parody" in the same way I donīt want to be educated by creationists.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Yet another sweeping generalization.
I never said every aspect of OPM is parody. A lot of it is (most of which you don't see or refuse to admit, aka Mumen Rider), therefore classifying the show as one. Don't put words in my mouth. You, however, and I quote, said this:
I guess most people who badly need education also badly dislike getting it.
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Excuses pffft.
Anyway, we've had our fun. Let's stop derailing this thread lol.
On topic, did the second season announcement come with a date?
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