Classroom Crisis

[Kraco]

Well, they can alternate per day.

Alternate? Who? Iris loves Mizuki. Mizuki and Nagisa love each other. There's been no indication Nagisa would love Iris even though he sacrificed himself for her sake all the way back when he was a little kid. A normal person might be even resentful, but I reckon since Nagisa dedicated himself for the revenge against the Kiryuu family, he would hold Iris as a kind of impersonal justification and raison d'etre, and after all these years not feel much else. His existence was kind of flimsy, at least until he realised he loves Mizuki and might also live for himself, not only for vengeance. Like I said before, I suppose it's possible Iris would now suddenly feel something for Nagisa, but I'm not sure you could honestly call it love instead of gratitude, pity, or who knows what.

[David75]

For Nagisa, should he pursue his vengeance agenda, Iris is worth a lot, being the last Shinomiya living.

[Kraco]

For Nagisa, should he pursue his vengeance agenda, Iris is worth a lot, being the last Shinomiya living.

Sure, she's the original reason for seeking vengeance. So, he can't very well put her in any danger. I think he was relieved Kazuhisa seemed to believe Iris (the real Nagisa) is dead. Of course it could also be Kazuhisa playing it smart, as there'd be little profit in scaring Nagisa by revealing he knows who Iris is. In any case, he doesn't seem to be rotten enough to make a tool out of the person he has been living to protect so far. That could easily happen to a person living for revenge, but I doubt Mizuki would fall for such a person.

Iris could of course reveal herself all on her own, especially now if she thinks she's all alone with Mizuki coupling with Nagisa.

[shinta|hikari]

There's been no indication Nagisa would love Iris even though he sacrificed himself for her sake all the way back when he was a little kid. ...... Like I said before, I suppose it's possible Iris would now suddenly feel something for Nagisa, but I'm not sure you could honestly call it love instead of gratitude, pity, or who knows what.

From the flashback and his behavior in the first few episodes, Nagisa still cares for Iris, even if that is not exactly romantic love. And Iris is hot. Nagisa won't refuse.

Iris's lines in this episode heavily implied that she has feelings for Nagisa (i.e. the whole "why now?" bit). They were really close as kids.

[Munsu]

Unless I missed some detail, it would've been nice to see why Iris became so attached to Mizuki in the first place.

[shinta|hikari]

Yuriness, nuff said.

If it turns out Iris is a trap I'm dropping this show.

[Kraco]

Unless I missed some detail, it would've been nice to see why Iris became so attached to Mizuki in the first place.

She has no family, no relatives, and no memories of her past. Under such circumstances it makes sense she would stick to whoever was friendly to her during the hardest years. I bet both the Seras were exceedingly friendly since they are disgustingly good people. I'm not sure it's necessary to know how they met, unless there's some relevance there concerning the current situation. They could have just met by chance, being of the same age.

[Munsu]

She has no family, no relatives, and no memories of her past. Under such circumstances it makes sense she would stick to whoever was friendly to her during the hardest years. I bet both the Seras were exceedingly friendly since they are disgustingly good people. I'm not sure it's necessary to know how they met, unless there's some relevance there concerning the current situation. They could have just met by chance, being of the same age.

Considering the new revelations, and with her new emotions being tested, I think it's valuable to understand how deep of an attachment she had to Mizuki in the first place. Their relationship has been so far one of servitude in many ways rather than plain being good friends, and I think that's an important distinction to make. Could be a trope, but if the relationship might get tested now in any way, I figure it would be nice to know how deep their roots actually are with them potentially being a bit more substantive than a character simply being friendly.

Not that it is really all that important, but I think it could add something to the dilemma. Not that I think there was more than that, but considering that strong attachment and loyalty she had shown in the past, I think it opens up the possibility for there being something a bit more going on... like say she being ridiculed for her personality and Mizuki stepping in, etc. as lacking in originality as that might be.

[Munsu]

And here's episode 12:
http://nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=734948

One more after this one...

[shinta|hikari]

And stupid random mercy makes its appearance yet again. Bad writing or simply uninspired?

That, and the timing of events was all over the place.

[Kraco]

Yeah, I thought this ep was quite weak. In any case a big disappointment after the rather crafty political and business plots of the past eps. Random mercy backfiring was incredibly stupid. Nagisa being all business and never yielding to Yuuji was the best part. Iris not getting a break before she gets her shit together is another good single detail. Although it's safe to assume Iris will be the one flying to save Nagisa.

[Munsu]

Yeah, I thought this ep was quite weak. In any case a big disappointment after the rather crafty political and business plots of the past eps. Random mercy backfiring was incredibly stupid. Nagisa being all business and never yielding to Yuuji was the best part. Iris not getting a break before she gets her shit together is another good single detail. Although it's safe to assume Iris will be the one flying to save Nagisa.

Man, I had seriously forgotten that episode 11 ended in that backstabbing cliffhanger, so a pleasant surprise when I began episode 12.

Agree with most of what you say, though I thought it was good from an entertainment standpoint... but yeah, those details deterred the enjoyment a bit.

I will add though, with one more episode to go, I'm lamenting that we didn't manage to get into a reveal and consequences portion with Iris. At this point I just hope she remains quiet and keeps going business as usual because there's really no time to treat that story point with any level of adequacy.

But yeah, time for Iris to overcome her yips and save Nagisa in spectacular fashion. Or die trying of course.

[MasterOfMoogles]

Didn't the exact same thing happen when the ninja-girl was taking out the people on the plane? I can't believe they did that "defeated enemy attacks you, surprise!" again.

[Munsu]

Didn't the exact same thing happen when the ninja-girl was taking out the people on the plane? I can't believe they did that "defeated enemy attacks you, surprise!" again.

Had completely forgotten about that... that's a complete fail.

[shinta|hikari]

I just want moar Nagisa.

The girl, not the guy.

[MasterOfMoogles]

Why? All she's done the whole show is crash their spaceships and generally be useless.

[shinta|hikari]

Isn't that great!?

Kidding aside, I like broken characters, and she is as broken as they get in this show. And she has dat expressionless face.

[Kraco]

She has got so little, or so meaningless, development and she's not the love interest of the MC dude that I don't really care about her, even though normally I like the character type (just like I instantly rooted for Flamie in Rokka).

[shinta|hikari]

But Flamie has underboob. And silver hair. Rei hair could never compare. That's an unfair comparison.

[Kraco]

Episode 13 Final - HS



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I listened to it a few times, but my understanding of even the basics of Japanese isn't good enough to learn how fast the X-3 was supposed to be. The subtitles say 42 km/h. My bicycle's speedometer has a faster recorded max speed than that...

Looks like Iris (real Nagisa) really loves fake Nagisa after all. I thought she had just sort of an existential crisis when she suddenly remembered who she is and isn't, and who (fake) Nagisa is. Like not knowing what she should do next and how she should live from now on, or if she should feel sorry for (fake) Nagisa or not, whether she should thank him or not. But in the end it looks like (fake) Nagisa captured her heart already when she was nothing but a little squirt. Now that she remembered it, it seemed to overwrite her lesbian love for Mizuki.

Poor (fake) Nagisa doesn't anymore know what to do, being chased by the girl he recently fell in love with and the girl whom he swore to protect even at the cost of his own life. Makes sense he escaped the hospital and started drinking (I won't believe for a second it was only carbonated water). That's the manly solution to problems!