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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    I liked you better when you rooted for Squealer. At least he was intelligent and had his own manner of agency.

    Now you're just whining.
    Blame the author :/

    @Kraco: Coming from the above, can we at least agree that the author fucked up and made Zolzal a dumb character? As an author, it is your job to tell an exciting story. Making the enemy so helpless and disoriented made for no excitement at all. This anime pretty much went like the most boring prediction would have gone after seeing the first 2 episodes. No highs and lows. It was a constant level of mediocrity.

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    Sure. A semi-intelligent villain being fooled by a highly intelligent villain would have naturally been all the better. However, that's quite a bit more challenging writing for the author, plus it would have likely required more time. This show has such a load of characters that there isn't much time for Tyuule to build complicated plots. So, the plots needed to be simple and consequently the person falling for the plots needed to be an idiot.

    But then again, these things were never of much importance to the story to begin with. This story is foremost about the naively depicted awesomeness of the Japanese self-defence forces and the asskickery of the expert of every field Itami. Considering these things it would be against the intentions and goals of the author to write a really challenging villain. For the Japanese military to look absolutely the best, the opponents need to act like evil chimpanzees.

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    This show just fell flat for me. I used to enjoy it a lot more, but the developments became inane and predictable as it went on. Who didn't see this latest episode's development 4 episodes away?
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    It just slows down as the show doesn't want to show us Guns on Plebs. Which is a shame as it sucks away the pacing from the first half of the series.

    Just blow shit up already.

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    Episode 24 Final - HS



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    Quite a relaxed episode all in all. Now it was made even more obvious that the Japanese can do whatever they want, and they don't even need many men and lots of vehicles for it. By the looks of it Zolzal as well realised it. I'm not quite sure what was going on in Tyuule's head, though. Maybe she realised living for revenge alone isn't worth it. Or to be specific it's not living at all.

    The best part of the episode were absolutely all the couples, including, of course, Delilah and Yanagida. The show did know how to deliver right there.

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    The empire is doomed with Pina becoming queen one day.

    Sleep magic is ridiculously imba. It's better than offensive magic because you can use it covertly and then kill the sleeping enemies. Spells like this need proper limitations in a story else it becomes a stupid plot device, like here.

    Tyuule tearing up at the end is stupid and cliche. Why can't there be avengers that are actually satisfied at the end?

    WTF at the assassin and the victim getting together. Everyone else was cool though. GJ on loli bride.
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    Not even 3 minutes in, I have to say: Kuribayashi is everything thatīs wrong with feminism. Fuck her so much.

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    Just finished the series. Overall, incredibly fun, though felt very anti-climatic in the end. I also thought that it was a disservice to have Itami and his group removed from the action through much of the second season.

    But I enjoyed it nonetheless.

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    And Iīm done.

    Really bad anime overall. Would rate it 4/10.

    Just like the previous episode, I donīt see how anybody would enjoy this. Itīs like watching someone play a videogame using invincibility cheats. When they entered the throne room, all I thought was "okay, so Zozal is now confronted with a witch, a half-goddess and a plotshielded main character *yawn*".

    This anime is also awfully disgusting and pervers in how it values life. The scene where a whole cavalry was bombed into oblivion ... wtf ...

    And then how fuck stupid are they to not kill Zolzal? That made no sense whatsoever. They even talk about it on their way home, how surely Zolzal wonīt give up, how there will be civil war and what else. These fucktards could have prevented a civil war by offing Zolzal.

    It was extremely frustrating to see how crappy the author wrote Zolzal. I actually teared up a bit when he realized how helpless he was, how broken his life was. I could feel his frustration and lack of power, despite his strong will to lead and fight. But somehow it is heroic when the heroes have all the power, all the weapons, and the villain gets nothing. Worst writing ever. I stand by my statement that Zolzal was only as much a failure as the author who created him. In any other (BETTER) anime, Zolzal would have achieved some victories.

    And Tyuule is fucking dumb lol. She won nothing. The Empire lives on, and it will live on no matter who wins between Zolzal or Pina. Aside from the person atop, the people living there will be the same.

    And then the last scenes with the couples ... wow. Forget about "these people could carry deadly diseases, sex is forbidden!": The fucking assassin bunny girl is now her victimīs gf? wow. Just wow. And then the shameless pedophile. Wtf.

    Concluding, I still donīt see how anybody could enjoy this series. It had all the potential, but it used none of it. Itīs a shit show with no coherent, exciting story, only pandering to the lowest of moe otaku. Fuck all this noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Tyuule tearing up at the end is stupid and cliche. Why can't there be avengers that are actually satisfied at the end?
    When Zozal first has a bit of gunshot PTSD in the carriage, it cuts to Tyuule and she wavers on her horse a little bit. For a second I thought the JSDF had used the info they got from Delilah to assassinate the actual mastermind behind the coup and increasing instability. Who would care if a "slave" was shot? I even thought it might have been Delilah using a loaned weapon under the supervision of the JSDF.

    But no, she was just wavering around for no reason.

    Wasted opportunity to end the series on an interesting note.

    Quote Originally Posted by Munsu View Post
    I also thought that it was a disservice to have Itami and his group removed from the action through much of the second season.
    Overall, I'd say Itami and the main three girls were by far the worst part of this season. They're boring characters with almost no more room for character development. Their arcs were all done from basically the first episode, except for some silly cleanup here and there. The better episodes were the ones where they were featured the least.

    - The dragon arc was stupid from Tuka's standpoint and her still calling him "Dad" is creepy as fuck.
    - Lelei was sidelined in her "own" arc (which is still about Pina when you get down to it), left unfinished, and her sister is more interesting than she is.
    - A potential arc for Rory at the end of the dragon arc was also left to die, never mentioned again.
    - Itami hasn't had any character development since last season during the scenes with his ex-wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Overall, I'd say Itami and the main three girls were by far the worst part of this season. They're boring characters with almost no more room for character development. Their arcs were all done from basically the first episode, except for some silly cleanup here and there. The better episodes were the ones where they were featured the least.

    - The dragon arc was stupid from Tuka's standpoint and her still calling him "Dad" is creepy as fuck.
    - Lelei was sidelined in her "own" arc (which is still about Pina when you get down to it), left unfinished, and her sister is more interesting than she is.
    - A potential arc for Rory at the end of the dragon arc was also left to die, never mentioned again.
    - Itami hasn't had any character development since last season during the scenes with his ex-wife.
    Removing them from the main action/plot only exacerbated the issues with them. If they were more integrated in the drama, I'm sure they would've been able to be of more interesting use.

    I mean, the first confrontations between Itami and his group with the Emperor and Prince where some of the best moments in the series. So there's was certainly damage done by moving them to the sidelines and giving them those sideline arcs that were really no good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    - A potential arc for Rory at the end of the dragon arc was also left to die, never mentioned again.
    Fucking THIS.
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    Quite a relaxed episode all in all. Now it was made even more obvious that the Japanese can do whatever they want, and they don't even need many men and lots of vehicles for it. By the looks of it Zolzal as well realised it. I'm not quite sure what was going on in Tyuule's head, though. Maybe she realised living for revenge alone isn't worth it. Or to be specific it's not living at all.
    That happens when you throw everything away for revenge, then once revenge is over you're empty and lose your reason to live. Unless you feel pleasure from killing people or causing people harm, revenge doesn't really feel good. Justice doesn't feel good. It's not a reward, it's just making what's right right.

    To the person themself, revenge is a means to allow them to move on. But if your whole life was about revenge and nothing else, you're a blank slate to start from again. There's nothing to work with, and no desire left to gain new things.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    revenge doesn't really feel good. Justice doesn't feel good.
    Bullshit. I've exacted revenge on others and felt awesome while I was at it. It's fulfilling. I don't like hurting random people at all.

    That's why I said that the revenge is empty trope is overused. Some people do enjoy getting back at those who wronged them, but most stories avoid that route because "it's not right."
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Bullshit. I've exacted revenge on others and felt awesome while I was at it. It's fulfilling.
    Is it fulfilling enough to feel good after destroying your life for years to get there?

    That's the key point. I'm sure if could feel good to some degree if someone else got what they deserved and your own lifestyle was intact.

    When it's revenge for something minor I imagine there's a "serves you right" response that feels somewhat good. When you suffer for years to reach it, it's more a sense of relief followed by emptiness.

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    But Tyuule didn't have a life left after she got captured. She didn't destroy her life in this case. She made use of it, and I'd say she used it well.

    I'm guessing you don't know many vindictive people. Revenge feels really good, especially if it's served cold.

    The emptiness afterwards isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just like any other goal in life. Once you get it, it will leave a gap inside you. Then you simply move on to the next thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta
    I'm guessing you don't know many vindictive people.
    True. I myself am the most vindictive person I know IRL, so that tells you something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Once you get it, it will leave a gap inside you. Then you simply move on to the next thing.
    I reckon her problem is not having that next thing. Her own people hate her as well, so she would find it difficult to return there. Pina's new empire recognizes her as one of the masterminds behind Zolzal's reign of terror and oppression. She can either become a vagabond wandering to some far away place or remain together with the loser man who destroyed her nation and then brutally raped her night in and night out. Though I still think she should first murder Zolzal. It's sick if your raison d'etre is a criminal you have every reason to hate the most in the world. She can hardly use that beaten man to further the ruination of the empire anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Bullshit. I've exacted revenge on others and felt awesome while I was at it. It's fulfilling. I don't like hurting random people at all.

    That's why I said that the revenge is empty trope is overused. Some people do enjoy getting back at those who wronged them, but most stories avoid that route because "it's not right."
    Yeah, I donīt believe you when you say you donīt like hurting random people. You sound an awful lot like one of my younger brothers, who keeps hurting people around because of his perception of "justice", only resulting in making everybody feel uncomfortable.

    And again, I donīt see how Tyuule "won". If killing Zolzal was the goal, she could have had that a lot sooner. The Empire isnīt gone. The people at its top arenīt gone. Might there be civil war? Maybe, but that wonīt last long with the support of the JSDF. And then itīs all back to Pina and family leading the Empire. Good job, Tyuule ... you won nothing. Well, except for the dick of the guy you hate. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    btw, I like Pinia in her slave clothing, side-boob and all. It's like a copycat Morgiana.
    It's even better when you realize that they have the same VA!!!

    Totally different performance though.

    Tomatsu Haruka using her gentle voice for Morg, while her mannish voice for Pina.

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