Dunno, that dragon seemed to be able to go mach 2, or at least whatever speed they can reach when the spot it, since he was able to keep up with the f4 for a while
He is supposed to have "tungsten-ish" armor too, which he clearly doesn't have unless the scales arn't covering his body completely.
- You wrote F4.
- I thought, "wut? The F-4 is 55 years old." I assume you meant to write F-14.
- I look up JSDF.
- JSDF is still using a large number of F-4s, approximately 70.
- I am stunned by this fact.
But don't missiles go much faster than mach 2 (or whatever jets fly at)? Otherwise, they'd never hit them.
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I doubt planes fight at mach 2
but they can fly faster yes.
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Didnt Japan just get new jets like 2 days ago, and they were pretty old models?
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
According to wiki, first generation air to air missiles are faster than mach 2, so yeah, they are plenty to kill a dragon. They'd hit before the dragon even knew what was coming.
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All I know is that they ordered some new F35s... which are freaking awesome.
I doubt we are going to see anything newer than the F4 in terms of airplanes here though.
Too expensive. I wonder how they got them over there anyway. Where do they even start from *shrug*. Didn't really pay attention to how Arnus Hill looks exactly, but I couldn't see a runway.
I think the most common AAMs are close range though, 500-2000m or something?According to wiki, first generation air to air missiles are faster than mach 2, so yeah, they are plenty to kill a dragon. They'd hit before the dragon even knew what was coming.
We'll never know if the dragon is able to keep up with technology.
Theoretically however, if it knew what it's doing, its turn radius would allow it to break every single missle lock in an instant.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 02-06-2016 at 07:54 PM.
Theoretically, a dragon doesn't even know a missile is coming from 2kms away. From what we've seen so far, all my money goes to the jet.
Especially if the JSDF uses more modern missiles.
EDIT:
Almost forgot that a plane actually played a chicken race with the dragon, got blasted by fire, but still got back in one piece. Properly equipped, I'd say dragons are no match against planes. If a dragon could actually catch a plane, that chicken race would've ended differently.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Sat, 02-06-2016 at 09:11 PM.
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AA missiles aren't any epitome of destructive power. They don't need to be since our airplanes are made of aluminium, composites, and other light but rather weak materials, combined with the fact the vehicle effectively further destroys itself when it's trying to fly while damaged. I doubt they would really do much more than piss off this dragon, which could stand multiple hits from the RPG HEAT warheads. They would need to throw something like Hellfire at it. Or whatever the Japanese use. It would probably require the dragon to be landed or at least hovering.
Fun fact: The only thing awesome about the F-35 is the avionics (and only the hardware) and how much money it is making for the manufacturer. Everything else about it is a joke. Slower and less maneuverable than a fully loaded F-16, inferior armor and armament to an A-10 (which it is supposed to replace in that role), the VTOL version does not work. The software will be full of bugs at delivery. The marines are the only people who still want it (barely), and that's only because they need something to replace the harriers. The A-10 just got another decade of life, despite the Air Force trying to get rid of them because they're not sexy but do their job well.
The F-35 is the new Bradley.
This series has shown the jets taking off. They have a full runway. The JSDF built up the military base area extensively after the first few fights.
The point of hitting the baby dragons with missiles was to drop them to the ground. That was it. After that they lit them up with the cannons to keep them there, and then the mobile artillery finished them off. They could have accomplished that with just the cannons, but they wanted to show off.
I know, they still look freaking awesome.
I'm sure we'll all miss BRRRRT-chan though.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 02-07-2016 at 08:54 AM.
@Kraco - So they fitted their jets with missiles that would only piss off the adult fire dragon..? I'm buying Ryll's explanation more. It ought to at least drop it from the air.
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You are dealing with a beast nobody has any accumulated experience of whatsoever. They barely know a few of its likely attributes from the earlier recon. So, nobody could say whether it would ground itself or go berserk and head straight for the closest target (or some random direction). Maybe the dragon itself wouldn't know since it would be all new for it as well. However, it is a highly mobile flying species, so its instincts would probably tell it to retreat promptly if it didn't anymore know what's going on. Landing would badly hamper its chances. It would have learned that much if it had ever fought another dragon.
What else would the fighters be carrying, huh? It's not like the Japanese weapon industry would suddenly develop new missiles against flying tanks. They carry what they have.
More bullets? Assuming they actually thought those would work. Jets aren't supposed to carry stuff they won't be using because it makes them heavier and less fuel efficient.
They already had a skirmish with the dragon once and saw which weapons worked and which didn't. You yourself are actually basing the dragon's toughness based on what you've seen in those fights. I'm assuming these military men are more familiar with their weapons than you are, or again, this show screwed up.
The scenario you're suggesting is that the military sent an entire force against a thing they believed they had no chance against, and opened fire with missiles that they believed wouldn't work. Assuming they are experts (and they are as soldiers), I think they had reasonable expectation that it'd be more effective than just pissing off the dragon.
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I have no idea what your point is anymore, sorry.
Even a 9mm pistol would be effective against the dragon if you could shoot it at its only functioning eye from 3 meters away. Obviously the fighters would be loaded with the best weapons available. They can't be loaded with weapons not available. They have a reasonable belief they might make a difference under the combined maneuver, despite the fact they didn't engage the dragon earlier because they know it would be waste of ammo, so they only gauged its abilities. Even if they could only make the dragon stop for a moment, it might have been enough to hit it with heavier ordnance.
What I said earlier about the AA missiles was in reference to the earlier posts that were concentrating on the fighter jet vs dragon battle.
My point is, these soldiers are supposed to know what they are doing. If they brought and shot really expensive missiles at a dragon, they had reasonable expectation it'd drop it from the air, or do something meaningful to it. Otherwise, why bring it at all? It's really very simple.
You said it'd do nothing more than piss off the dragon. If you were exaggerating when you said that and actually believed it could do something more like stun it or even force it to land, then say so.
And the jets did not attack the dragon earlier because they didn't have the right weapons. Now they supposedly do.
If you maintain (and you know far more about this than I do) that AA missiles realistically cannot harm the dragon based on what we've seen so far, then it's the show's fault for screwing up its weapon facts. That's the other possibility I brought up.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Sun, 02-07-2016 at 11:25 AM.
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Answer: yes. Not sure why you directed that at me though (about better equipped planes being more useful)
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Like I said in my previous post, the only piss off the dragon was referring to fighter jets alone trying to take down a dragon. So, even if the simultaenous hit of, let's say, 4 missiles made it land, for one reason or another since nobody has ever tried it before, then what? The dragon would land and soon take off once more, all the more pissed off. Just like I said.
AA missiles typically rely on the fragments and blast pressure to cause damage. That's enough for the measly hulls of flying vehicles. It does little against armoured land vehicles, which this adult fire dragon apparently could be compared to. In my opinion they should cause terrible damage to the wings, but who am I to argue with what the show was saying?
That's the entire thing. This show is known for wrong military info, so I wasn't trying to oppose your opinion per se. I just thought it contradicted what the series is trying to show us. It's either you or the show is correct. I don't really care who is.
Peace.
Man you guys are analyzing this anime way too much. It's entertainment. Just shut off your brain and enjoy.
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