GATE: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri

[Kraco]

Delilah stood and got shot because she knew she was otherwise dead anyway. She's not a slimy bitch like Tyuule. Delilah has pride.

Now that I think about it, maybe she attacked a Japanese soldier (Yanagida just happened to be the closest one) for a double purpose of causing an incident in the hopes it would get back to Tyuule and the prince) and also hoping she would herself get killed as a punishment for hurting these folks whom she obviously had started to like. She didn't try to kill Noriko anymore because Noriko's just a civilian and because that would actually be following Tyuule's orders to the letter.

[KrayZ33]

Oh, and what I wanted to say about the bunny queen: LOL. As much as she´s telling herself that it´s allllll a plan for ultimate revenge - letting yourself get fucked by your worst enemy will always be humiliating, even after you´ve tortured and killed the prince. Dumb bitch

You make it sound like it was her plan to get captured and raped. She's basically at the point where she doesn't care what happens to her or the world, as long as the Prince and Empire suffers.

[MFauli]

You make it sound like it was her plan to get captured and raped. She's basically at the point where she doesn't care what happens to her or the world, as long as the Prince and Empire suffers.

Yes, that´s what that flashback scene showed us.

[Ryllharu]

Not quite. She surrendered to the Empire at almost the first sign of hostilities, when Delilah wanted to fight to the death. The bunnyzons got slaughtered and their town/capital burned to the ground.

Tyuule believes she's some kind of mastermind gaining power from the shadows (she took the opportunity to get close to the prince, the future heir), Delilah thinks she's a dishonorable manipulator and coward.

Problem is her schemes don't work as well when modern investigative techniques exist. Japan knows someone is trying to frame Pina, they just don't know precisely who (they think it is the prince) or why.

[MFauli]

Mentioning the finger prints again, makes me remember: I´m still waiting for a sign of superiority on the side of the fantasy-people. So far, the JSDF is superior in every aspect. The ONLY person that´s superior is Rory, but she´s already an ally of the JSDF, so she´s of no use for the fantasy-people either.

Can´t there be some cool "Dark Knights" that wear special armor that cannot be penetrated by bullets, who can slay the JSDF forces? An order of arch mages with powerful and quick magic spells that takes down helicopters and jets in the blink the eye? It´s frustrating how weak the fantasy-side of things is, reducing it all to a silly cosplay-world.

[David75]

Mentioning the finger prints again, makes me remember: I´m still waiting for a sign of superiority on the side of the fantasy-people. So far, the JSDF is superior in every aspect. The ONLY person that´s superior is Rory, but she´s already an ally of the JSDF, so she´s of no use for the fantasy-people either.

Can´t there be some cool "Dark Knights" that wear special armor that cannot be penetrated by bullets, who can slay the JSDF forces? An order of arch mages with powerful and quick magic spells that takes down helicopters and jets in the blink the eye? It´s frustrating how weak the fantasy-side of things is, reducing it all to a silly cosplay-world.

Somehow, the cosplay comment also works for the tiles when Japan opened to the world. Bullets against swords, strange clothes and feodal rules pushed to their limits...

[Ryllharu]

[incessant whining]

Shut the fuck up about GATE being asymmetric warfare. That's the point of the entire franchise. If you want something where fantasy things and modern day Earth forces slaughter each other on equivalent terms, look elsewhere. Go read Fables. There's no anime or manga that does it, and GATE certainly isn't about to start.

You're like a goddamn broken record. Every. fucking. week.

You've made your point, you don't like the way this series plays out. No one else cares, and we don't need to hear it every week.

[MFauli]

Shut the fuck up about GATE being asymmetric warfare. That's the point of the entire franchise.

That´s not the point of the series and I won´t "shut the fuck up". The entire point of this anime is to display the clash between reality and fantasy, but it can never choose if to actually display this properly or conveniently.

And you´re double-wrong: There doesnt have to be asymmetric warface - we just haven´t seen any of the powerful weapons on the fantasy-people´s side. Because that´s part of the setting: Them having access to magic and crazy shit. IF they don´t even have that, then really, what´s the point of this anime?

If the fantasy-side is so weak that they cannot do anything against machinegun fire, helicopters and jets, then what is that? If that´s so, it should be titled "Itami goes on a picnic with his harem", because that´s all that´s relevant then. Why care abou ANYTHING, when there is no conflict between equals?

[Ryllharu]

You're so fundamentally wrong I don't know where to start.

The premise and point of this series has nothing to do with fighting. That's merely grisly fanservice. Notice that the majority of this series has nothing to do with fighting and killing? That most of it is talking, negotiation, and dealing with people's problems? Bickering with the Japanese Diet, bickering with superiors, trying to persuade others to stop fighting because they're outclassed, maintaining exclusive use of this new "economic zone"?

• This series is fantasy (or medieval) politics versus modern politics.
• The Empire's Roman Republic and its Feudal Warlords versus the Japanese Diet versus the other countries in the UN.

That's why you're an idiot and we're all tired of your whining that your expectations of this series don't match up with what the author actually wrote.

[KrayZ33]

Yes, that´s what that flashback scene showed us.

What are you talking about, that wasn't shown in the flashback at all.
The Empire invaded, they got slaughtered and taken hostage.

Stop making things up, thanks. It wasn't even hinted that she did it on purpose why would she even do that? It doesn't make sense, she is a chief already, why would she sacrifice all her subordinates for a "scheme" like that.

She is seeking revenge, and it can't be made any clearer than that. If you really believe she did it to rise in rank or some shit like that, I don't know what to say.

[MFauli]

That's why you're an idiot and we're all tired of your whining that your expectations of this series don't match up with what the author actually wrote.

None of what you wrote refutes any of what I wrote.

And stop using the author for your argument, it´s not helping you. This is the author that had Itami play Tuka´s dad ...

[Ryllharu]

@KrayZ33
He was talking about the Bunnyzons there.

Tyuule's plan was the surrender and get captured as part of her ambitions and cowardice. Deliliah wanted to fight to the death.

@MFauli:
This series was written starting in 2010. Your whining isn't gonna change shit.

[KrayZ33]

@KrayZ33
He was talking about the Bunnyzons there.

Tyuule's plan was the surrender and get captured as part of her ambitions and cowardice. Deliliah wanted to fight to the death.

I know, but she didn't have a choice unless she had a deathwish.
It's no where hinted that it was her "plan" from the beginning though.

I wonder if you guys have actually forgotten that she sacrificed herself.

And stop using the author for your argument, it´s not helping you. This is the author that had Itami play Tuka´s dad ...

this has nothing to do with the author and ryll didn't use him for an argument either.
He only said that he wrote something that was different from what you expected this show to be.

[MFauli]

Yeah, well ... sorry for having the expectation of it being a GOOD show. :|

[David75]

Not a good show for you.
An average one with nice moments, but that I'll quickly forget. Quicker than Cross Ange for example.

[KrayZ33]

Oh wow, that is a harsh thing to say.

In my opinion Gate is one of the better ones recently. It's interesting, fun to watch and rather beautiful.

[MFauli]

Oh wow, that is a harsh thing to say.

In my opinion Gate is one of the better ones recently. It's interesting, fun to watch and rather beautiful.

See, THAT is my problem: The setting/concept IS super interesting. Animation, music, voice-acting etc. are well-done, too. But the author took all that and makes the most stupid, contrieved bullcrap outta it. It´d be SO interesting to watch realistic events of politics play out between reality and fantasy. But that is ignored in favor of Itami and his harem. It´s frustrating.

Right now, my main motivation to keep watching is that the prince might turn out to be formidable opponent for the JSDF. And he got to bang a hot bunny girl that didn´t like it, so he´s my hero right now.

[David75]

Outbreak company, mentionned weeks ago, probably was more enjoyable.

As for my Cross Ange comment, it left an impression on me that lasts To this day because it was supposed to be a trash anime, but with a rather strong MC and a base story that wasn't so bad after all, even if a bit "déjà vu"

Gate is the opposite, better production values and setting, but not much that will leave an impact in the end and not much of a scenario/story yet.

[KrayZ33]

Gate is the opposite, better production values and setting, but not much that will leave an impact in the end and not much of a scenario/story yet.

I disagree, the scenario and story so far is great. The anime will most likely end before it will get seriously interesting though.. but that's not really suprising. (see Overlord for example)
I'm actually more than happy that they arn't trying to fit a rather complex situation in so few episodes. S2 will probably end after the Dragon Arc and that's it. The only other option would be a hard reset with them closing the gate "as if nothing ever happened". I don't know if that's what the author has in mind later on, but right now, I wouldn't want that.

[MFauli]

They´re not fitting anything in the story, though. That´s also one of the weak points: The story jumps from one location to the next. It fails at building up a believable world. One episode, Itami is in the throne room. Next episode he´s running around in a city. The episode afterwards he´s driving a jeep towards the dragon. But there never are intersections showing how he got anywhere. It´s like a 4-koma comic strip was turned into an anime.

And I agree with David: Once it´s over, GATE will be forgotten very quickly.

Also, what´s with Overlord? No season 2 coming ever? :/