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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    If that's the case, choosing her seems to be a very calculated move. She's suffered incredibly, is a civilian, can't be sent back home yet, and will be interfacing with the JSDF's harshest critics. It gives her something to do, as well as being a hidden Special Interest Story for anyone who asks why she's here.
    Yeah, she's someone JSDF saved from a fate far more horrible than a simple death. As long as she's willing and capable, she's an excellent guide for journalists who want JSDF disbanded.

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    Once again you insult Zolzal of having no brain and Tyuule being a mindless revenge-thirsty cunt. As we´ve discussed plenty, I disagree with that. But I won´t discuss it this week, because next week´s episode seems to focus on Zolzal and Tyuule, so we might get some hard-fact evidence of what´s really going on.
    You mean even more evidence? Tyuule said herself that she wants to see the empire burn and that she "worked on" Zolzal until he started to completely trust her.... is there a reason why you ignore that?

    Zolzal could have something special in mind, he will most likely fail, but Tyuule *is* revenge thirsty and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    If that's the case, choosing her seems to be a very calculated move. She's suffered incredibly, is a civilian, can't be sent back home yet, and will be interfacing with the JSDF's harshest critics. It gives her something to do, as well as being a hidden Special Interest Story for anyone who asks why she's here.
    Sending someone who has suffered incredibly back into the fray can't reflect well on the people who ordered it. What baffles me is that the reporter didn't even seem to question that choice. Another unbelievable thing is that the victim is actually fine doing this job.

    She's also inherently biased, something the reporter pointed out. If you want to convince someone to believe something, not appearing biased is better than clearly having an agenda.

    There had to be other people better suited for this role. The only reason she's back is because this is fiction and drama is necessary. It also gives this throwaway character some meaning. I don't think it's a decision based on logic/strategy as you guys say. Judging from the rest of the show, I think you're giving the author too much credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    She's also inherently biased, something the reporter pointed out. If you want to convince someone to believe something, not appearing biased is better than clearly having an agenda.
    That journalist was a pro. So much a pro that he didn't even bother to act as if he was objective. He told her straightforwardly that it's business. Most people aren't interested in the truth alone but good, interesting, and thrilling news and stories above all. So, it's all the same if she's biased or not. A journalist like that would see through any forced neutral act in a millisecond anyway, assuming he was even interested in such things. Maybe it's better it's just a newbie like her in that case. She seems more genuine than some old, stone-faced PR manager.

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    Again, I think that's over-reading. I'm willing to bet that the author just wanted to bring back the kidnapped girl to give her entire arc some meaning. Bringing victims back to the scene of the crime for work isn't a good idea, in any case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Again, I think that's over-reading. I'm willing to bet that the author just wanted to bring back the kidnapped girl to give her entire arc some meaning. Bringing victims back to the scene of the crime for work isn't a good idea, in any case.
    What scene of crime? They didn't take her to the imperial capital or to the scumbag Zolzal. She's hanging with her saviors. The only thing that might be bad for her are sarcastic and negative comments by the journalists.

    If you meant why she's not back in Japan already, then yeah. The author certainly is pulling any reason for that purely out of his ass, unless for some mysterious reason the woman doesn't want to return.

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    OH, something SUPER IMPORTANT that I wanted to write about but forgot:

    You know, watching those politicians back in Japan discussing stuff and ultimately deciding things, made me wonder what would happen if they gave order to the JSDF to do stuff that goes against Itami´s will or against the will of others. Like, what if the Japanese government demands the the embassy returns the loli-bait and father-in-law to the Empire as part of keeping peace with the Empire government?

    Would Itami, Sugawara-sama et al turn against Japan? Because unfortunately I´m not entirely convinced that they wouldn´t be this stupid and irresponsible.

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    They might just make the loli mysteriously disappear. After all, there are other places in that world aside from the empire. The empire isn't what it used to be, either, so the other places are perhaps much more safe now.

    Not that I'd think the politicians would order the death of a little girl. The voters wouldn't be too happy. It's much easier to do nothing and use the excuse of general non-aggression and not messing with the internal politics of foreign nations, just like they were doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    It's much easier to do nothing and use the excuse of general non-aggression and not messing with the internal politics of foreign nations, just like they were doing.
    They´re messing with internal politics RIGHT now. The Japanese embassy took in the loli-bait. That´s messing with.

    I simply get the feeling that the JSDF would go all "whatever, we are such morally good people, we don´t obey orders that we don´t like" bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    If you meant why she's not back in Japan already, then yeah. The author certainly is pulling any reason for that purely out of his ass, unless for some mysterious reason the woman doesn't want to return.
    This is what I meant.
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    If she knows her family is dead, she might not have a reason to return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    They´re messing with internal politics RIGHT now. The Japanese embassy took in the loli-bait. That´s messing with.
    That was not an official decision from the top. Every organization is made of humans, and thus prone to acts nobody could predict. It'd still be far easier for the ministers to tell the public that an employee simply couldn't watch a little kid being persecuted than to tell the official stance is to rescue people randomly based on the personal preferences of the employees present. So, the official stance is to take no action (not rescue anybody arbitrarily). Every action conflicting with that is due to human error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    That was not an official decision from the top.
    The top of the embassy made the decision.

    As for your rest: Remember how WW1 started? 1 persons death, exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    If she knows her family is dead, she might not have a reason to return.
    Except staying away from the land that took everything from her.

    Imagine getting kidnapped and taken to a foreign country. Then being abused as a POW there. Not having family in your home country won't make you wanna stay and work at the offending nation.

    She lived her whole life in Japan. That by itself normally gives her enough reason to return. What's odd is why she's still on the other side of the gate even now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    As for your rest: Remember how WW1 started? 1 persons death, exactly.
    Hahahaha, no it didn't. What a reductionist way of looking at it.

    I went to American public schools and I know better than that. That's not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Hahahaha, no it didn't. What a reductionist way of looking at it.

    I went to American public schools and I know better than that. That's not even close.
    I´m not surprised that an American wouldn´t know about WW1, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Except staying away from the land that took everything from her.

    Imagine getting kidnapped and taken to a foreign country. Then being abused as a POW there. Not having family in your home country won't make you wanna stay and work at the offending nation.

    She lived her whole life in Japan. That by itself normally gives her enough reason to return. What's odd is why she's still on the other side of the gate even now.
    She's not working at the offending nation, she's working in a different world... she has nothing to do with the empire.
    And there is also the case of people not wanting to see their "pasts" (or whatever) when something is missing, just like people don't want to keep pictures of their ex-es because it reminds them of that time.

    Hahahaha, no it didn't. What a reductionist way of looking at it.
    I went to American public schools and I know better than that. That's not even close.
    Well, the casus belli was the assassination (or the dismissal of the absurd ultimatum that resulted from it), I don't see a problem there. Whether the people acutally gave a fuck about Franz doesn't matter, it's enough of a reason to get allies and politics involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    She's not working at the offending nation, she's working in a different world... she has nothing to do with the empire.
    And there is also the case of people not wanting to see their "pasts" (or whatever) when something is missing, just like people don't want to keep pictures of their ex-es because it reminds them of that time.
    It's about going home. It's natural for someone who has experienced something terrible. Not only that, it's hard to believe a victim like her could easily make such a distinction (world vs country), which from her perspective is a semantic one at best.

    Your other reason is also possible. But possible and probable are different. Of all the jobs she could take, why that? Of all places she could stay, why there? My point is it feels unnatural.

    The author forced the issue just to jam that character back into the story. There is no need for it to be her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    It's about going home. It's natural for someone who has experienced something terrible.
    I thought she had lost her family in the initial attack. So, she has no home. Only an empty building full of memories she obviously doesn't want to face.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Your other reason is also possible. But possible and probable are different. Of all the jobs she could take, why that? Of all places she could stay, why there? My point is it feels unnatural.
    A random civilian in the middle of the military camp. The place probably isn't overflowing with jobs for her kind. Plus I'm sure she's happy to have a task because that allows her to push memories, regrets, sadness, loneliness, hate, and all sorts of other emotions out of her head for the duration of the working hours.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    The author forced the issue just to jam that character back into the story. There is no need for it to be her.
    Why not? If there needed to be someone there, it's all the same to use an existing character. God Rory knows this show has enough characters all over the place as it is.

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    Japan is her home. A home isn't a house. It's where you live your life. That doesn't change just because her parents died. In contrast, the other world is where she got enslaved and raped. See the better choice?

    About the job, she should just go back to Japan and work there. That's the most normal thing to do.

    About jamming her back, it's not a good idea because people like me will ask these questions and poke holes into the writing quality.

    Good writing means I don't even get to the point of asking these questions, much less necessitating the audience to find reasons the show itself did not specify to justify them.

    She could very well be the odd ball that wants to do all these things you guys mentioned, but in order for that to make sense, the show has to explain it to us. Unexpected outcomes require some background, not the vivid imaginations of the audience to justify them.
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