GATE: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri

[Kraco]

This would be a nice comparison ... if it wasn´t so wrong. Disregarding our personal views on capitalism, capitalism never directly involves any sort of military action. But there are two major differences in GATE: 1.) This so-called peace only exists for as long as the Empire does as the JSDF demands. One out-of-line refusal and the JSDF simply threatens/uses military power. 2.) We live in a modern world, full of morality and ethics. In such a world, you simply mustn´t trick an underdeveloped nation into giving them previous ressources for worthless junk. What do you think would happen if that deal with the silver mines came to public in the real world? There´d be a justified outrage among human right activists, similiar to diamonds in Africa.

We haven't seen any evidence of that. In fact we know nothing of the proposed peace treaty, aside from the fact it contains a heavy financial penalty for the empire, which is designed to be alleviated considerable during the negotiations. That seems quite wise and practical as that would make the empire feel like they did their best. But otherwise there's no indication whatsoever the empire would lose a single bit of their indepence. There has been no talk about territory to be ceded. At the moment there is no peace and they are at war. So, bombing or anything is natural. That's what war is all about, after all. Yet the folks of the capital have been living their lives normally, as if there was no war, because the Japanese certainly aren't keeping it hot.

One man's junk is another man's treasure. Who's to define its worth? A 1000 yen kitchen knife from Japan would be worth ten or fifty times more in that fantasy world because they can mass produce neither high quality steel (let alone stainless steel) nor the knives themselves. Thus the people would be grateful for receiving such. It's not an option for them to walk into a dollar store to buy one with their pocket money. A human rights activist complaining about that can go work in the salt mines.

He doesn´t want to be forced into "peace". Quite ironically, Zolzal seems to be one of the very few characters that understands what´s happening: His kingdom is being conquered/oppressed by an outside-aggressor.

Except that it was never conquered or oppressed. Instead the country the empire attacked wants peace despite their overwhelming military might. If the roles were reversed, do you think this prince would have done anything else but rob and burn down the Japanese towns and enslave the people? No, because we already know that's what he does from what happened to the bunny people. The dude is fucking lucky to still possess a kingdom to inherit but his peanut sized brain can't comprehend it.

I think you underestimate her. You interpret her willingness to get fucked by the new king as prove of her being broken, living only for that one aim. I disagree. She probably hasn´t witnessed the battle on Alnus hill. She doesn´t know just how godforsakenly hopeless military opposition is for the Empire against the JSDF. If she understood that difference in power, I could very well see her having a moment of realization, of epiphany. This is a repeat of what happened to her own people. An overwhelming force mercilessly making its way. This is what could drive her to give up on petty revenge and side with the new king, under aforementioned conditions. And truly, wouldn´t that be the best? A kingdom lead by man and animal-woman, opening a new era without racial discrimination? Considering that the portal will close at some point, it´s pretty meaningless for the JSDF to "win".

You are thinking 180 degrees backwards here. The more powerful the JSDF, the happier the bunny princess. Because it ensures the empire will be utterly destroyed once she can instigate a good all-out war between the empire and the Japanese. She won't suddenly start to pity the empire. Although the open war will never happen, so it's kind of all the same. She's reduced to trying to execute one plan after another, but she'll never succeed. Perhaps her best bet is the second brother. The other countries probably don't share the values of the Japanese, so they might annihilate the empire if given a chance.

[MFauli]

One man's junk is another man's treasure. Who's to define its worth?

Then let them define everything´s worth by openly stating the facts, how about that? Fact is, the JSDF didn´t know about the portal closing again at some point in time. Their plan was long-term, annex land, get precious untapped ressources for almost free, maybe outsource the Japanese population sometime.
If it was all a quick business exchange, like, "the portal is closing in 3 days. Give us this metal and we will give you 1000 kitchen units", then it´d be somewhat okay. But they planned on all of it being a permanent situation. Therefore they fully intended to absuse the lack of knowledge of the Empire people.

Except that it was never conquered or oppressed.

So what do you think would happen if the Empire said "we accept peace, but we don´t want to give you any ressources or land"?

Also, you can insult Zolzal as much as you want, I like him

You are thinking 180 degrees backwards here.

I´m thinking up a scenario that would be interesting to watch. It´s not what makes the most sense as of right now, of course. But it´d be super boring if Tyuule was so simple minded that she only cares about the ongoing revenge plan. If it´s about creating a path of victory against the JSDF, I simply believe that Zolzal and Tyuule teaming up would be one of the very few options.

[Kraco]

Then let them define everything´s worth by openly stating the facts, how about that? Fact is, the JSDF didn´t know about the portal closing again at some point in time. Their plan was long-term, annex land, get precious untapped ressources for almost free, maybe outsource the Japanese population sometime.
If it was all a quick business exchange, like, "the portal is closing in 3 days. Give us this metal and we will give you 1000 kitchen units", then it´d be somewhat okay. But they planned on all of it being a permanent situation. Therefore they fully intended to absuse the lack of knowledge of the Empire people.

Sure. The empire did lose the immediately vicinity of the gate probably permanently, unless the gate starts to close soon and the Japanese troops withdraw. If the refugees now living there decide to stay around the gate, Zolzal will need to slaughter them all to get the gate back. But he would do that without a second thought laughing and crying tears of joy.

What would you expect the Japanese to do? Of course they took control of the gate. A while ago murderous hordes of men and monsters pour through it into the middle of Tokyo and murdered or kidnapped lots of people. Even the Japanese aren't pacifists enough to let that happen a second time. The empire lost the right to that place when attacked and then lost. Plain and simple.

Anything else is your speculation and demonisation of the Japanese who haven't yet done anything you accuse them of.

So what do you think would happen if the Empire said "we accept peace, but we don´t want to give you any ressources or land"?

There are plenty of other countries and government around. One of them already agreed to give the Japanese the right to mine. Others will as well. In fact Zolzal would as well when he sees the other countries benefiting from it and his own senators and merchants will start to complain.

I simply believe that Zolzal and Tyuule teaming up would be one of the very few options.

That would be the mother of all Stockholm syndromes. He destroyed her country, enslaved her people, and then raped her every night. And you think she will start to work with him and genuinely further his goals? Yeah, right. Won't happen outside of H-doujins.