Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
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"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Isekai where the main character is totally overpowered and hardly ever needs to struggle is exceptionally common. The only thing that makes this series just a little bit unique, is that the MC is evil. Otherwise this is no different from the huge load of OP MC isekai stories. There must be a significant audience in Japan for stories where everything is easy for the MC. That's just how it is.
I wouldn't be so sure Ainz and Nazarick will ever face any great difficulties. Maybe the story will throw a curveball at some point. It remains to be seen. It's pretty safe to assume that any threat won't come from the empire or the kingdom, though. They are totally helpless.
You do realize that the NPCs are everyone but Ainz?
Even if you just take a look at the Lizardman scene you mentioned earlier, there was infighting and stuff.
Or when Baine (? is that his name?) the princess-dog and some rogue went up against this monk-guy and fought him and the drug circle etc.
And in just about every Isekai the victory of the "MC" is predictable, it's just about what they lose in the end achieving it.
Or when the adventurers raided Ainz' dungeon, the exciting thing wasn't about if Ainz will win, the exciting part was if they'll all die or some of them survive. Just like how it was actually exciting in my opinion if Albedo will calm herself or just run amok and kill everyone in that gathering she was a part of in the last episode.
Or when that hero-group fought the insect maid and nearly killed her.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 07-14-2022 at 01:29 AM.
You're both wrong/dishonest.
Ofc, the hero's victory is always predictable in these shows. That's true for 99% of all fictional stories. The hero will ultimately win.
But the "how" is important.
And even in powerfantasies like SAO, Kirito had to show some struggle to win against a seemling overwhelmingly powerful villain (minus last season where he was a god, lol). The first season of SAO still holds up because of this. The fight against the grim reaper. Against the creator. And som others. That was exciting.
No battle in Overlord hold any excitement. Pardon, one battle did: The final battle in season 1 between Ainz and Shalltears. Hence why I got hooked to the series, because of that awesome battle. We never got something like it again.
The hero/main protagonist winning is inevitable. But how they go about it is very different. Overlord is like someone playing with god-cheat. Literally. And so far nobody else got the god-cheat to compete with him.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
SAO is no example here. I have read who knows how many dozens of isekai manga. Trust me, there are series where the MC is so overpowered their only challenges are those in relationships, which is actually also true for Ainz. Most of those isekai are boring, but a few of them do manage manage to cover for the lack of thrill with their general writing. It's kind of pointless to read them and expect challenges because they aren't coming. The exact target audience probably doesn't even want to see the MC struggle. It's kind of pity Ainz isn't making any progress whatsoever in his relationships either, so Overlord is lacking in that aspect.
Hence why I said it's not as much about Ainz as it is about the other characters and how they interact with Ainz.
This is why you wished someone to "enjoy watching several episodes about the culture and biology of lizard people." You did that because that kind of storytelling exists and it's why we know humans that are still fighting and struggling since season 1 fighting Ainz. And when I take a look at the opening, it seems like even more Human NPCs will be introduced that will have some kind of impact to someone...
I don't think we'll ever see another player.
We often know *more* about what the NPC factions and his minions are doing and thinking, than what we know about Ainz and his plans.
In fact, it's often seen and told that Ainz himself doesn't know shit and just reacts to what others planned and did and it's part of the comedy as well. Whenever he wants to do something it turns out to be extremely "simple minded" yet the other factions and his NPCs as well make a brilliant plan out of it and do way more than he intended to do.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 07-14-2022 at 07:03 AM.
Their struggle right now is actually about securing supplies and keeping the Sorcerer Kingdom economically viable.
Albedo right now is suggesting that an invasion will be how it's ultimately solved, but for vanity and appearance reasons, Ainz isn't just outright invading everyone just yet.
One thing I do struggle with in Overlord is watching Ainz be so conservative when we know he'll walk over any non-Nazarik NPC. He can be more OP than he currently is and take more risks to move the story along, but we end up watching him test the waters a lot.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
How is that a struggle? If "securing supplies and keeping the Sorcerer Kingdom economically viable" fails, all it means is that Ainz' fun plaything didn't work. There's zero serious repercussion. He can just try again. Just like he could destroy everything on a whim if he chose so.
Actually, now I have the perfect analogy: Watching Overlord is like watching a Twitch-streamer. There's no risk for the player, it's all about having fun. And in a way, you could say Ainz IS a streamer without a stream for others to watch, but he is a player. And unfortunately that is too obvious, to the point where there's not much excitement.
I mean, right now the only hope we were shown is that blue haired guy.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I also don't think that Ainz "struggles" with anything. The only thing Ainz has to watch out for is that his NPCs remain loyal, but it isn't at a point yet where this is an actual threat. After all, their NPCs now have free will and that potentially means the will to rebell is a possibility... it's been a topic in season 1 as well.
As far as I remember:
LN novel spoiler: [spoiler]Albedo MAYBE is pro Ainz but anti-supreme ones and even requested to establish (and was granted) an elite task force of NPCs capable of killing supreme ones as she views the *other* supreme ones as traitors who left them to rot in this world when they lost "interest" in them (in this game), but even that isn't actually "confirmed" afaik and only hinted at... it was hinted at in Season 1 as well but never again as far as I can remember. She never said that she wanted to use the unit like that... but again, some things are pointing towards it[/spoiler] <--- we don't actually have a spoiler tag, do we?
So far Ainz is basically "playing" and his power among and alongside the power of his floor guardians is securing his position all too well.
There are some NPC monsters in his guild that could potentially run amok and wipe the guild but that's about it and not actually realistic right now.
It's a "game" of politics, but not actual politics.
I always see Ainz and his guild as a force steam rolling through the world, and the ones who actually adjust and struggle are the factions that have to survive with him being on the field.
Will they die? Will they submit? Will they get a big deal out of it all? Will the Floor guardians suffer their existence or just kill them? Will they gain enough respect?
Stuff like that.
For example, there is the Adamantite hero group struggling against the minions of the Sorcerer Kingdom.
There is the Baine/Princess' dog group trying to make a difference, but they not only face Ainz, they also face the Princess who might just gobble them up and who wants to tie the guy to a bed (literally) so that he can never leave his side again.
There is the theocratic kingdom in the south who is a remnant kingdom of the players from a few hundred years ago that has artifacts capable of mind controlling shalltear. But 2 of their strong elite squads were already wiped out. Will they submit? Or will they be crushed bei Ainz Ooal Gown?
The empire to the east that is basically already a vasal state at this point etc. etc.
There are other powers, like the dragons who might decide to do something or not etc. etc.
Okay... there is one thing Ainz can struggle with... and that's the question of whether he can control the world properly or if he has to use force to crush down on rebellions all the time, all over the world.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 07-14-2022 at 01:33 PM.
Ainz struggles with maintaining strong e**tions.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Episode 3
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Who wants to bet on the war troll? Nobody?
Humans dumb and weak #56453
:|
Why would the priests rule out the "worst case" scenario of Momonga collaborating with Ainz?!They say themselves that Momonga suddenly appeared out of nowhere, they have no reason to trust him fully, no matter what he did in the short time he appeared as an adventurer. This is so frustrating.
Also, was there any foreshadowing that Ainz found out about the secret meeting in the colloseum? I certainly didn't notice any, so it was even more shitty "Ainz stronger than anyone" bs.
Honestly, who enjoys watching a one-sided development like this?
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I'm not a fan, but there is enough viewership and readership to warrant all these seasons...
I think Ainz was just saying hi to his friend gilgamush and was honestly concerned about his health, with his falling hair and pale complexion and all.
Peace.
I don't think they totally ruled it out, they just considered it very unlikely. Their church is one of human supremacy, so on a fundamental level humans cooperating with monsters willingly must be a very esoteric idea for them. They would need evidence to even think about it. They are kind of evil themselves, though, so expecting all kinds of sordid developments ought to be their second nature. All in all, can you blame them for trying to see a little bit of hope, not a sheer end of the world?
Following the traditions of this story, Ainz wouldn't have got any idea such a secret meeting was happening, and he had just decided to stretch his legs a little bit by having a fight at the arena, randomly. I'd guess the original game had plenty of such arenas. He noticed the emperor is there, and went to say hello.
Ainz had no idea and just either walked into this or Demiurge set him up for it.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Episode 4
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Yeah... the guy actually had no clue lol.
I was disappointed that magic items actually featured in this fight though. I thought he'd actually just use a strength build.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
His negative energy thing... was it a racial ability?
Because that sure did look like lots of magic.
Definitely was a lot of magic in this battle-without-magic ;>
I've been thinking about the downs and ups of joining Ainz' kingdom and I think there's really "only" one big downside that ruins it: The fact that all of the monsters are Ainz' slaves. They're basically all imprinted on him, they can never go against him. If that wasn't the case and all the undead monsters were free to do what they want to do, Ainz' kingdom could become simply a pprospering land where humans monsters live together in peace. But there can never be peace when one half of the population will do one guy's bidding no questions asked. Imagine marrying a cute monster girl, but no matter how much she claims to love you, she'll always put Ainz above you.
That leads me to this: I've been thinking about possible goals and points of conflict for Ainz. What I came up with:
- trying to get a body of flesh and blood for himself, so he can be a complete man
- introducing free will/democracy to his undead underlings
- organize a grand competition with him as the final opponent, and if he loses, the winner becomes the new leader
Of course, we actually so a tiny hint at some other potential future conflict: When Ainz reminsiced about "someone stronger than myself", he envisioned some knight who I assume is one of his original dungeonmaster friends.If that particular guy is introduced as an opponent, that might become an issue. Although it'd probably end with them making up and being best buddies again, so ... i'd rather not -_-
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
He didn't cast any spells(well, until the troll asked him to go all-out). He just had innate lich abilities, and a couple magic weapons.
...why would he want ANY of those things?
Why does he want anything?
What a weird question ....
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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