interesting. I remember during freeza's battle on namek, he mentioned his power to be 500,000 on his base form. And 1 million after he transforms the 1st time. So probably his power grows twice each time he transforms, giving his final form at around 4 million. Goku's first SSJ1 should be around 5 million then. Teen gohan's SSJ2 form when he fights with cell should be around 20 - 40 million. Goku's first SSJ3 during Fat Majinboo fight scene should be at 100 million.Originally Posted by Janice
But then you wouldn`t have a series, their saiyan pride wouldnt allow them to cheat that way.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
If they can't go down, how to they go back to normal after getting big?
Vegeta's Saiyan Pride wouldn't allow him to wish for immortality and then fuse with Goku? Even though he spent two entire arcs trying to wish for immortality and he's fused with Goku twice now?
Granted, he hates fusing because he hates relying on anyone's power than his own, but he hates losing more.
Up not down below the base*
Retcon? character progression? plot hole? If he wants immortality so much he had like over 9000 chances to do so (didn`t they have the dragon balls as a bingo prize or whatever in battle of the gods?), he clearly doesn`t cares about it anymore.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
dude seriously you are missmatching a whole bunch of things. so ill just ask a question to be sure we are on the same page...
when we talk about "base power" we are talking about the number that will appear in a scouter if someone will scan them? if so, then the scouters scan for ki levels which we are trying to say they can manage to power up/down at will. having a big physical mass makes no different on your ki level.
just for example yamcha is really fit, he has big muscle and physical strength, but in reality he has low ki levels compared to the rest of the Z fighters and will die to about absolutely everything right?
now powering down your ki levels to that of satan's doesnt mean you are as weak as satan because in a fight even if for some stupid reason you decide to lower your ki the moment you start fighting and the adrenaline starts pumping you will return to your base level if not abit more because of the adrenaline...
AGAIN powering down your ki is not a technique for fighting but for sneaking/stealth/go on the run/making the fusion dance...
even if you are unwilling to accept this, when the last tournament saga ended goku was exhausted, his ki points shutted down AND was weaker than his normal form and that is a fact
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Okay. He WAS really Immortal, just not physically stable. He's like Okuyasu's dad in Jojo.
I was REALLY hoping that button was only going to be used for comedic/sidestory purposes and was never going to be used as a deus ex machina to get rid of a big bad...but, I guess that was hoping for too much.
Anyway, I really don't understand the solution they came up with at the end. They're going to time travel to have Beerus kill Zamasu before he kills the Kaioshin? They already DID that. It doesn't fix Trunk's world. It just makes another timeline. If they just wanted to make another world where Future Trunks and Mai could live, why couldn't they just stay in THIS world? Seriously, what's the difference at this point?
I really just want the events of the recent DB video games to become canon at this point, where Trunks is a time cop.
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I want Akira Toriyama to resurrect the Saiyan;s home world so we could have female warriors that matter and have the warrior race become galactic protectors over time. It may never happen. To see sexy female Saiyan warriors. :/
Not gonna lie. I googled "sexy female Saiyan warriors" right after your post.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
it doesnt even look like they are going to show us how that new future is going to play out :\.67
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Okay. He WAS really Immortal, just not physically stable. He's like Okuyasu's dad in Jojo.
I was REALLY hoping that button wasn't only going to be used for comedic/sidestory purposes and was never going to be used as a deus ex machina to get rid of a big bad...but, I guess that was hoping for too much.
Anyway, I really don't understand the solution they came up with at the end. They're going to time travel to have Beerus kill Zamasu before he kills the Kaioshin? They already DID that. It doesn't fix Trunk's world. It just makes another timeline. If they just wanted to make another world where Future Trunks and Mai could live, why couldn't they just stay in THIS world? Seriously, what's the difference at this point?
I really just want the events of the recent DB video games to become canon at this point, where Trunks is a time cop.
i am actually ok with the end of the arc, it had the closure up of goku's promise to king of everything... still i wish we could have seen the new future in the end...
next episode is going to be again a mini filler arc about finding earth's dragon balls, too bad that at this point there is nothing that can stop them unlike in dragon ball...
Which, wouldn't that make a BETTER solution than creating a new timeline?
Couldn't you take the Dragon Balls, and Piccolo back the future and wish the planet back without Zamasu?
Now that would be too easy wouldn't it? But it is the easiest way. Collect the Dragon Balls....take Dende and them to the future. Wish for all destruction and death done by Zamasu and Androids to be undone. You even got a wish left.
Maybe Bulma would just give them a spaceship and send them to New Namek and use their balls.
Lol! I hope was worth it.
People on the internet are suggesting that since they were floating in a shining void when they went back to the future and not outer space that Zeno just erased all of that universe and not just the planet. So yeah, if that's the case, the regular Dragon Balls probably wouldn't cut it.
Oh right, the balls are connected to Dende now.
I thought they didn't have those. I thought they lay eggs.
First of all, respect for NeoCybercoin. As I was reading Darth´s posting, I shook my head and said "Noooo, the dragon balls would´nt work without their creator around!" Was nice to see somebody else notice it.
On to episode 67:
Yeah, nothing makes sense anymore. Trunk´s real timeline is still destroyed. Everybody died and, from the looks of it, will stay dead. Good job, Trunks. Remember those two little kids that believed in you? They´re DEAD.
So now their solution is to create a random new timeline where everything´s fine ... except Trunks and hot Mai will exist 2 times. What is their idea exactly? It sounded like the two of them were looking forward to meet all their friends again ... but surely that timeline´s Trunks and hot Mai would have a problem with doppelgangers outta nowhere?!
And what I didn´t get: Zamasu told us that he killed all the gods. But the supreme god of all obviously still existed. And I also doubt that Zamasu was strong enough for Whis or his father. So what about all of them? Do none of them care when one lowly kaioshin decides to mess up the universe?
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Whis is asleep, I doubt dad cares or knows since Zeno seemed pretty oblivious himself.First of all, respect for NeoCybercoin. As I was reading Darth´s posting, I shook my head and said "Noooo, the dragon balls would´nt work without their creator around!" Was nice to see somebody else notice it.
On to episode 67:
Yeah, nothing makes sense anymore. Trunk´s real timeline is still destroyed. Everybody died and, from the looks of it, will stay dead. Good job, Trunks. Remember those two little kids that believed in you? They´re DEAD.
So now their solution is to create a random new timeline where everything´s fine ... except Trunks and hot Mai will exist 2 times. What is their idea exactly? It sounded like the two of them were looking forward to meet all their friends again ... but surely that timeline´s Trunks and hot Mai would have a problem with doppelgangers outta nowhere?!
And what I didn´t get: Zamasu told us that he killed all the gods. But the supreme god of all obviously still existed. And I also doubt that Zamasu was strong enough for Whis or his father. So what about all of them? Do none of them care when one lowly kaioshin decides to mess up the universe?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
It's a conclusion that seems to exist purely as setup for future arcs.
They wanted to have their tragic ending to this story arc. But Future Trunks and Future Mai are too cool to kill off. But they didn't want them hanging around either. So they just boxed them up to another timeline that they can bring them back from as soon as they feel like doing another story about them.
Maybe he'll come back for the next tournament arc, with the intent of using the Super Dragon Balls to restore his universe if they win.
And they kinda really need him, cause their team really sucks right now. With Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo, even if Gohan gets his shit together, they still need a 5th. I doubt Beerus will use Monaka again.
I keep forgetting that Trunk's Timeline is the real one and the one with Goku and co is the alternate.
I don't see F.Trunks and F.Mai having a problem with their doppelgangers. Trunks has someone he can actually train with...himself. Or it'll be Zamasu all over again :P.
Guess they are just going to live somewhere else instead of with them.
As for the other Gods...there is always the element of surprise I suppose but I thought I heard/read that God/Angels as Whis calls himself don't intervene. Perhaps that was only in the manga. Can't recall properly. But yeah there is no way he would have killed the Zeno.
So what did Zamasu mean when he told us he killed all gods? Which gods? Because it sounded as if he killed guys like Whis, his dad, Zeno, everyone. If that´s not it, then still, why didn´t these gods not intervene with Zamasu? Like, I get it that they wouldn´t give a shit about some small shit happening. But Zamasu was in the process of annhilating all life in all the universes. You´d think at some point the guys overseeing the universes would do something.
As for trunks and may, I hope one of two things happens:
- they really return and plan to use the super dragonballs to restore their real timeline
- they give up on living in that new timeline where they´re just doppelgangers and become some sort of galactic police force, maybe joining that guy that keeps bothering Bulma
It´s just so unsatisfying at the moment, knowing that they actually lost AND they don´t have a place anymore.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
At least it's something different like a happy ending you see almost everywhere. I think the universe is attached to Zeno's life? I mean they said without a doubt that he'd be alive. So that could be a thing.
But the Super Dragon Balls are scattered over the two universes so they can't use those on their own. Like I said...the Namekian Dragon Balls are their only way.
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