Yes, that has been exactly what I've been getting at, besides not clarifying that I'm talking about Dance fusion.Originally Posted by Forte
Yes, that has been exactly what I've been getting at, besides not clarifying that I'm talking about Dance fusion.
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Except he's Immortal, so he shouldn't be able to tear himself apart.
Satan's power level is NOT 1. They've never said what it is, but the farmer Raditz meets when he first lands on Earth has a power level of 5.
Well that would have been useful information before now, yes. Given that Potara Fusion is the only one taking place atm, I assumed that was the one we were talking about.
So yes, A Satan/Goku fusion would be weaker than Goku, because Goku would have to match his power level to Satan's to even be able to fuse, and if he tried to power back up after fusing, the fusion would come apart because Fusion Dance fusions come apart of the power levels of the two participants become unsynced.
That said, Fusion Dance still creates an entity that is "a superior being whose power is multiplied several-fold over that of the individual fusees".
Which means if, for example, Satan has a power level of 50. Goku would have to lower his power level to 50, giving them a combined power level of 100. But then the resulting fusion is "multiplied several-fold" over that. So he'd probably have a power level somewhere between like 300-700(depending on your definition of "several"). Which, yes, is MUCH lower than Goku's starting power level, but still far higher than Satan's.
dude it was just an example to simplify it >.>
Well, you gotta admit you did say "(as we said Satan has)" instead of "(just an example)". No one said Satan had 1 as a power level (except you), did they?
Peace.
Seriously discussing power levels. Feels like im 13 again. Except power levels made sense back then ;>
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Kind of thinking me asking for Fusion Dance to be brought back was a mistake now lol.
I still say the Fusion Dance would have been better.
Wait, who again said you can just lower your power level to make the fusion dance work?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
We know the Super Saiyan transformation power level multipliers, according to Toriyama:
SSJ - 50x base
SSJ2 - 2x SSJ (100x base)
SSJ3 - 4x SSJ2 (400x base)
We know Vegito in his base form was far superior to SSJ3 Goku when he fought Buu, so we can estimate fusion probably gave a power level increase of something like 5x Goku's SSJ3, or a 2000x increase from his base form (or more). Vegito then turned Super Saiyan giving another 50x (100,000x).
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is probably somewhere along the lines of 1,000,000+ times stronger than base Goku, given how strong SSB has been shown to be. At this point the power levels are simply unfathomable, if they weren't already. I would suggest stop worrying about them and just enjoy the ride. Super has never been consistent with power levels anyway.
Uchess, You need to people with about equal power in order to fuse. So if one of them is stronger, that person would need to lower his to match that of his partner in order to do a successful fusion
I get the first part, you need two people of equal power, but why do you think people can just decrease their strength as if they`re manipulating the volume on their tv? Can Goku actually decrease his skill and body mass/strength to match Satan`s? Since when? I got that the Z fighters can CONCEAL (not eliminate) their Ki, but I don`t believe a fusion between Satan and Goku is even possible. If farmer with shotgun is a 5, how much is a completely disabled person? a 1? a 0.1? are you telling me Goku can make himself disabled with his willpower? Was it ever stated in the series that a person can just lower his power to make the fusion work? And if they can do this, how come they didn`t do it at the machine that measures your strenght at the Buu saga tournament? they were throwing light punches as opossed to "lowering" their power and just throwing a regular punch.
Last edited by UChessmaster; Fri, 11-11-2016 at 04:31 AM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
i am not the one that decided that satans power level is 1... in mathematics if you say that something is not less than X it means that its equal to or bigger than X, and you always use the smallest posible X just to simplify things because its part of the rule that has been set (in this case if satan's power is not less than 1, then its equal to OR bigger than 1 but why the fuck would i say that satans power is 100 if the same rule can be applied to 1?)
anyway, i am pretty sure its been stated that trunks had to lower his power level to match goten's for their fusion AND been stated atleast in the freezer arc that the Z fighters were able to lower their ki to match that of the nameks so they could conceal themselves from all the bad guys with the eye scanner
If i recall correctly, trunks had to synchronize with goten, i believe gotten and trunks are more or less the same, with trunks probably having a slight edge. What the z warriors didn't as you said it yourself is to CONCEAL their power level, not lower it. Hiding and eliminating something are different things
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIZXzRiUH28
nuff said... they can up/down their power level AND need to do so for the fusion technique to work...
This is why the earrings rule. You don't have to deal with any of that shit.
And also, fusion clothes.
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Well you guys were right. Fusion Zamasu wasn't immortal because Black wasn't immortal. It's dumb as shit, but there it is.
Also, bullshit retcon about Potara Fusion only lasting for an hour on non-Kioshin is bullshit. And Vegeto was kind of disappointing anyway.
For a minute I was also getting pissed when Goku was like "Here's my full power!" and I was like "No it's not, you haven't used Kioken yet" But then he Kiokened right after that, so it's okay.
Trunk's chi sword is the fucking shit and almost exactly what I wanted.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sat, 11-12-2016 at 11:14 PM.
I admit I did not expect this conclusion. :/
I still say Fusions Gogeta is better. I guess the Earring fusions is only permanent when a Kai is the other being you are fusing with.
If Goku was able to do damage, Vegito should have wiped his ass instead of making it so close.
He's still cocky as fuck and cool to watch though, but I guess that's not the type of message they wanted to send.. so here's spirit bomb Trunks and Power of Love.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Well, when they retcon away everything that made Potara better, yeah.
They added a time limit, and then did the exact same thing with they did with Fusion Dance where "The more power you use, the shorter the fusion lasts". And then it wasn't even as strong as before.
They SHOULD have just used the Fusion Dance if they weren't willing to stick with any of the shit that made Potara cool.
I mean, I understand the writers not wanting to fuse Vegeta and Goku permanently, but you already showed previously that you can just wish them apart later with Kibito Kai.
Or they could just introduce the idea that blue ki is the reason for the new limit.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
That's still BS though. Fusion had a time limit which could be explained by "energy", and thus all the energy requirements were something we could accept.
Potara earings was all about "if we fuse we'd kick ass, but we'd never be ouselves again". Now it's just-another-fusion.
You know technically, Zamasu should have a time limit too since it's Goku's body fused with a God.
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