WTF?! shinta, am I being trolled here?Originally Posted by UChessmaster
What you just wrote, Uche, is why I am right. These characters are SO fast, they can move 100m in less then 0.001 seconds. Theyīre instant. If Hit can stop time, he EASILY will reach Goku and give him a deciding blow within the 0.5 of stopped time.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Forgive me if you think it's a trolling question, but how do you measure the flow of time when it is stopped ?
We have to believe Hit and his internal clock ?
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Time stopped is time stopped. Hit moves outside of timeīs influence during that "time". We donīt know exactly what happens. Maybe he switches to another dimensional plane? Whatever. Doesnīt matter.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Not if Goku`s base speed is much faster than hit, and I believe it is.
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Why would Goku's speed be relevant if time is stopped for him?
Peace.
Because Hit doesn`t seem to have full control of his ability (as evidenced by the fact that he literaly trained it while he fought), he has a 0.5 advantage let`s say every 10 second, the other 9.5 seconds, he is fucked. His fighting style is also totally predictable, it goes like this, goku is about to rush in on Hit, goku thinks "he`s so predictable i`m guessing he will try to hit my left shoulder", Hit stops times, analizes the situation, "where did goku move to? what kind of attack is he going to land? what are his blind spots? how do i counter it?" and finally he thinks, hey! let`s hit his left shoulder, he launches his attack but before the attack lands the .5 seconds are done and Goku with his SUPERIOR speed (kaio ken?) manages to block it.
In the end is all about the particular moment Hit activates his ability. If he activates it too early (my guess), his attack wont land in time and goku will be able to counter, if he activates it too late, he gets shat on. So yeah, he`s too slow. Hit`s ability seem to be more shock value, if he were just as strong and fast as Goku, it would be over, but he isn`t. As of now, he`s just a guy that is faster than goku in specific but painfuly short time periods that relies a little bit too much on his one trick pony ability and outside said time period, he`s nothing. Reminds me of Enel in a way.
Alternative explanation: It`s dragon ball.
Last edited by UChessmaster; Thu, 04-28-2016 at 03:55 PM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Your posting makes no sense. Hereīs how itīd logically go:
Fight starts.
Hit stops time.
Within the 0.5 seconds, he approaches Goku and decapitates him.
Time flows again.
Blood everywhere.
The end.
Thatīs how overpowered Hitīs ability is when you apply logic to it. There is no way to conter it. Again, we have the perfect example with Jojo, where Jotaru was only able to defend himself because he learned to stop time, too. Goku has no control over time whatsoever, so heīs helpless. Itīd be different if Hitīs power was to slow down time. In that case, Goku could actually increase his own speed to the point whe heīs stil too fast when slowed down by Hit. But thatīs not what weīre dealing with here. Time is stopped, fullstop.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Wait, if the other party stopped time too, then wouldn't they just both be stuck?
Peace.
Eh, I'm with MFauli on this one. For people who move so fast that people can't even follow them with their eyes, half a second is forever.
The question is, does he need to?
With every new transformation Goku unlocks, he increases his power, his speed, and his toughness.
Are we sure he isn't just taking the hits, and then the instant the time stop wears off, he hits Hit back.
Assuming he can. Again, there's the issue of toughness as well. Krillin once tried to decapitate Cell and his attack just shattered off his skin.
Remember, being able to get free hits in doesn't really matter if the person you're hitting is able to shrug off attacks that destroy planets.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Thu, 04-28-2016 at 08:16 PM.
That's my point, time is stopped, so you can't evaluate/count/ measure 0.1 or half a second while it's stopped.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Logically, the only way to stop time is to move at the speed of light, So hit's skill is actually him increasing his speed to that point I think for 0.1 second or now 0.5 of a second. Remember what Goku said about his Isntant movement skill which requires him to be stationary to focus to activate it. I think Hit's skill same or similar with the only difference that hit can do it without having to focus or concentrate to activate.
If Goku can use instant movement which is speed of light speed without being stationary and without neding to focus 100 % of the time, then I think he can easily beat the time leap skill. I think both skills are the same anyway.
Sure you can.
Whatever Hit would be able to do in .5 seconds if he didn't stop time, that's how much he can do while he stops time.
If Hit can punch 50 times in .5 seconds without stopping time, then he can punch 50 times during his time stop.
Or, you know, fucking magic.
Or science.
Seriously, itīs quite infuriating to read un-scientific shit like "the only way to stop time is to move as fast as light". Thatīs not only wrong, it also makes no sense.
Also, Hit is portrayed as an equal to Goku, comparing this to Kuririn hitting Cell isnīt valid.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Ok, you go tell Stephen hawking and Einstein they are wrong about time stopping at the speed of light. I suppose another way would be to have the strongest gravitation pull as strong as a Black hole.... gravity... so I assume that's wont happen since neither one can manipulate gravity in an area without killing everyone.
I think you need to relearn science.
But time stopping at the speed of light has nothing to do with an ability to stop time. Sure, it might, but it's not necessary. It can also be alien physics, magic, light ki or kamehamehas.
Peace.
The levels aren't the same, but the principle is.
Hit and Goku were about equal, and then Goku multiplied his powers by 10. And Hit's attacks aren't shattering on Goku's skin, but they ARE hurting him, just not enough to keep him from attacking back.
Now it goes:
Hit stops time
He hits Goku as much as he can in .5 seconds
Goku takes it because he's 10x tougher than Hit
Time flows again
Goku hits Hit because he's 10x faster than Hit
Hit takes just as much damage as Goku did because Goku is 10x stronger than Hit.
Also, as they specifically went out of their way to point out, Hit is still holding back, because he wasn't allowed to kill. So the whole "stop time, decapitate him" idea is a non-starter to begin with.
Which is still theoretical until someone actually does it.
And Gokuīs mass becomes infinite heavy when heīs moving at the speed of ligh, so ... lol. Your influx of scientific popular-knowledge is in no way relatable to the situation at hand. And just for the record, Goku cannot move at the speed of light. Wow, did I really have to write that out?
@Darth: My example was just taking a serious made-up confrontation between the two. Also, Goku might be 10x more powerful, but for example Kuririn is still x1000 stronger than me, yet Kuririn would die from a pistole shot. Vegeta heavily injured perfect Cell with his Final Flash attack. I donīt believe that Goku was so much stronger towards the end that Hit couldnīt wound him at all.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I'm not saying hit's time leap is an actual time stop skill. It could be like Goku's Instant movement skill. Hit is moving at a faster pace than Goku is and it appears as though time is stopped. It is a skill. It could be a speed doubling skill for all we know. If you travel fast enough you become photons. It don't matter what the mass is, if something the size of our moon was traveling at the speed of light, it would still be traveling at the mass that photons travel at until slowing down.
Goku's instant movement skill is speed of light. SO he can move at the speed of light if he wanted to. He can't use that and fight at the same time. Hit's skill to me doesn't seem to be about time stopping but more about increasing speed for that short time. Goku was able to move when he activated the skill. So I am thinking the skill is more about speed than actual time being stopped.
Hit is not strong physically. Remember what he said a few episodes back. NO matter how strong you are, hit someone in a vital spot a lot of times, they can still fall. Physically, I don't think Hit is strong or on Goku's level of strength. He just has speed in my opinion.
He wasn't. Goku WAS getting hurt. Just not enough to stop him.
Shall we just say that in the DB universe you can overcome any technique if you are just strong enough?
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