Dragon Ball Super

[DarthEnderX]

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Oh look. Now that they've introduced multiple universes, they've introduced a King of ALL Universes. Isn't that a shocking swerve no writer would EVER think of?

There definitely won't eventually be a God of all universes either at some point.


Anyway, I don't like that Hit took a dive. It would have been better of Goku and Hit both knocked each other out/out-of-bounds, and Monaka simply won by default.

Would any of your really choose DBSuper over any of DBZ´s arc´s?

So far, I'm enjoying Super more than Buu.

[shinta|hikari]

Yes, I would, just to troll you.

Just kidding

I quit Super after 2 episodes. I couldn't stand Goku's voice, which they never changed for some inexplicable reason.

[UChessmaster]

They`re both around the same quality to be honest, it`s just that DBZ came first.

As for the seriousness of all, there`s been what? five tournaments? how many of them were life and death situations?

Vs. Roshi = No
Vs. Tien = No
Vs. Picollo = Yes
Vs. Ubb = No
Vs. Hit = No

[MFauli]

It still annoys me that this battle denied all and any logic. NO MATTER how fast Goku is, time stopped is absolute. We all know from Jojo what that means.

Good to see the obvious king of the universes. Now let´s see if some real danger arises.

[Harima Kenji]

It still annoys me that this battle denied all and any logic. NO MATTER how fast Goku is, time stopped is absolute. We all know from Jojo what that means.

Actually... you cán be at least on par with time. Photons (light particles) don't experience time. From the moment a photon is created to the moment of it's destruction, to that photon, 0 time has passed.
Apparently, time 'moves' at the speed op light. So by the rules of dragonball, if you move faster than light, you outpace time.

Never thought I'd bring astrophysics to a discussion on dragonball.

[UChessmaster]

Is not unlimited time stop though...

[Shadow Skill]

That one ginyu force guy had a time stop skill as well. It seemed to last a few seconds though... make sme think hit's time stop is inferior. :/

[DarthEnderX]

Nor should you have bothered.

[David75]

Some people even rack their brains out into thinking theories to describe our universe, without using the concept of time.
It's a tad hard to follow though

Thanks Harima for digging that up. That's exactly what I remembered. And I remember Vegeta chopped his head quickly, because the guy was neither strong nor fast enough at the time.

[MFauli]

There is nothing difficult about it: As portrayed in Dragon Ball, when time is stopped, it´s stopped. Nothing but the user of the time stop ability moves at this point. That´s all. Considering this, there is no way for Goku to avoid Hit´s attacks. Hit has lengthened his time frame of stopped time, so he can easily cover the distance between him and Goku and hit him in a way in a place where it would destroy him. And there´s nothing Goku could do about it. Trying to assume where Hit might attack is useless, because Hit can stop time for so long, he could simply stop it while they´re stand in front of each other, staring into each others´ eyes, THEN stop time, move up to Goku, KILL him if he´d like to, and then time flows naturally again and Goku is done for. Hit doesn´t slow down time, he stops its flow entirely (as did Guldo). No matter how fast Goku is, he cannot break stopped time.

[UChessmaster]

There is nothing difficult about it: As portrayed in Dragon Ball, when time is stopped, it´s stopped. Nothing but the user of the time stop ability moves at this point. That´s all. Considering this, there is no way for Goku to avoid Hit´s attacks. Hit has lengthened his time frame of stopped time, so he can easily cover the distance between him and Goku and hit him in a way in a place where it would destroy him. And there´s nothing Goku could do about it. Trying to assume where Hit might attack is useless, because Hit can stop time for so long, he could simply stop it while they´re stand in front of each other, staring into each others´ eyes, THEN stop time, move up to Goku, KILL him if he´d like to, and then time flows naturally again and Goku is done for. Hit doesn´t slow down time, he stops its flow entirely (as did Guldo). No matter how fast Goku is, he cannot break stopped time.

0.05 seconds, in DB lingo, is not THAT much.

[MFauli]

0.05 seconds, in DB lingo, is not THAT much.

It´s 0.1 seconds, then up to 0.5 seconds. And that´s like an eternity "in DB lingo".

[UChessmaster]

It´s 0.1 seconds, then up to 0.5 seconds. And that´s like an eternity "in DB lingo".

For people that manage to destroy planets with the strength they achieved 20 years ago, no, it`s not that much, it`s an advantage for sure but not an unbreakable wall.

[MFauli]

For people that manage to destroy planets with the strength they achieved 20 years ago, no, it`s not that much, it`s an advantage for sure but not an unbreakable wall.

WTF?! shinta, am I being trolled here?

What you just wrote, Uche, is why I am right. These characters are SO fast, they can move 100m in less then 0.001 seconds. They´re instant. If Hit can stop time, he EASILY will reach Goku and give him a deciding blow within the 0.5 of stopped time.

[DarthEnderX]

Eh, I'm with MFauli on this one. For people who move so fast that people can't even follow them with their eyes, half a second is forever.

Hit has lengthened his time frame of stopped time, so he can easily cover the distance between him and Goku and hit him in a way in a place where it would destroy him. And there´s nothing Goku could do about it.

The question is, does he need to?

With every new transformation Goku unlocks, he increases his power, his speed, and his toughness.

Are we sure he isn't just taking the hits, and then the instant the time stop wears off, he hits Hit back.

Within the 0.5 seconds, he approaches Goku and decapitates him.

Assuming he can. Again, there's the issue of toughness as well. Krillin once tried to decapitate Cell and his attack just shattered off his skin.

Remember, being able to get free hits in doesn't really matter if the person you're hitting is able to shrug off attacks that destroy planets.

[Shadow Skill]

I thought the theory of light speed is that at the speed of light, time stops. If you go faster than light, time goes backwards. So technically... you can beat a time stop skill.

[shinta|hikari]

LOL, now everyone is just trolling Mfauli.

[NeoCybercoin]

I thought Guildo said he could stop time but in the end just had strong psychokinesis. He just trapped people with that and made them think he had it. He even pulled out a tree with it.

[David75]

Forgive me if you think it's a trolling question, but how do you measure the flow of time when it is stopped ?
We have to believe Hit and his internal clock ?

[MFauli]

Time stopped is time stopped. Hit moves outside of time´s influence during that "time". We don´t know exactly what happens. Maybe he switches to another dimensional plane? Whatever. Doesn´t matter.