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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    That's why I think the "flash of a not-immediate-future" foresights lack meaning as a "maybe it will happen, maybe it won't" story device. When I say they "don't make sense" I mean you can't do any real analysis on them or confidently alter your actions based on it.
    I agree with this analysis but assert that this is intentional as a storytelling device to create suspense. If you can readily analyze the visions and change the future, there will be no sense of danger. The power doesn't exist in a vacuum nor is it there for minmax utility. It is there to tell a story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta
    I agree with this analysis but assert that this is intentional as a storytelling device to create suspense. If you can readily analyze the visions and change the future, there will be no sense of danger.
    I agree with this.

    That's why I'm saying that the future in fact can not be changed, and it will come to pass. I bet you we'll see Bell hurt near a waterfall, and Aisha or whoever is bloodied on the ground will also occur. This future won't change.

    The fact that the fortune teller girl still thinks that the vision can be avoided by telling people to stop doing whatever they're doing is annoying me.

    In short - she's being dumb, and I want her to stop being dumb. But I also get that her being dumb and annoying is "part of the story", in the same way that there will always be one idiot that wanders off on their own in horror stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    or if your foresight is near immediate (like in a certain recent Isekai anime where you can see 1-3 seconds ahead)
    Which is the best one, cause it means you get cool scenes where somebody effortlessly blocks all incoming attacks. Which is always badass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I agree with this.

    That's why I'm saying that the future in fact can not be changed, and it will come to pass. I bet you we'll see Bell hurt near a waterfall, and Aisha or whoever is bloodied on the ground will also occur. This future won't change.

    The fact that the fortune teller girl still thinks that the vision can be avoided by telling people to stop doing whatever they're doing is annoying me.

    In short - she's being dumb, and I want her to stop being dumb.
    See, I completely disagree. The show hasn't told us that the future sight can't be changed. That's just how you WANT it to work. Unless she already knows that that IS how it works, it would be dumb of her NOT to try and change the bad future that she saw.

    You basically want her to do nothing to try and save anyone because of how you HOPE her power works. Even though there's been no indication that trying to stop people wouldn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    See, I completely disagree. The show hasn't told us that the future sight can't be changed. That's just how you WANT it to work. Unless she already knows that that IS how it works, it would be dumb of her NOT to try and change the bad future that she saw.

    You basically want her to do nothing to try and save anyone because of how you HOPE her power works. Even though there's been no indication that trying to stop people wouldn't work.
    She hasn't told us that it can be changed either. I don't remember any of her prior prophecies before this season. The one we got just now showed green moss over everyone which freaked her out, and it happened.

    I'm willing to bet that the next dream happens as well.

    What she sees is the future. And if she's figured out that they're prophetic dreams and not just random shit, then she's figured out that what she dreams of happens. She just hasn't accepted it.

    I'm also not saying that she should do nothing. I'm saying she should do more useful things. If Skynet is going to take over the world, don't try to trash every computer you see. Build a bunker and stock up on food. If Bell is going to get hurt, prepare for damages.
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    I mean, we can't really determine which type her visions are. She likely doesn't know either, otherwise she would likely be doing what Buff said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    If Skynet is going to take over the world, don't try to trash every computer you see. Build a bunker and stock up on food.
    That's a TERRIBLE example for you to use, because Terminator is about knowing the future and changing it. The core theme of T2 is defying fate.

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    I agree. That is a bad example since they made a movie about it with plenty of context behind what happens.

    That might make trying to imagine someone having glimpses of robotic takeover more difficult.

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    So the vision urges her to avoid whatever calamity is about to happen. Fine, I understand the urge to avoid this now.

    I quite like Aisha. She's just straight forward, no bullshit. And hot.

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    All the amazons are hot.

    Except for that fat one.
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    It really must suck to be a fated hero like Bell. He might be a girl magnet, but, alas, I guess being a hero actually prevents him from putting that to any good use. Furthermore, he must trust everyone and be incapable of imagining that evil people exist and they are all the time planning nefarious deeds. If he somehow manages to live up to 40 years old, he will look like 80 years old from all the stress and anguish, or Weltschmerz (world-pain), like the Germans would say it.

    Considering what sort of world they live it, the murder scene was almost morbidly funny. It's pretty difficult to imagine corpses wouldn't keep appearing all the time in the labyrinth town, even more so in Orario. It's a place full of nothing but reckless, battle-crazy adventurers who must be ready to look death eye to eye on a daily basis, and laugh merrily while doing it. If such people are pissed off, it's quite obvious they would resort to violence since violence is their way of life. Instead a dead body getting found created a scene equal to one found in bloody Reykjavík, or some other super safe place. Like, big deal. Dude was probably a scammer or another kind of criminal and got what was coming to him. At least it still took the agitator to get the crowd going, but it was still too smooth.

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    Before the ep is out (not a spoiler):
    I think Cassandra's healing power will power-up and save the almost dead party she sees in her dream.

    edit: and I guess we have another 2/3 eps to get to the end of the arc so let's see how it unfolds.
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    Episode 9


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    Is Bell actually somehow trying to guard the one-arm freak while fighting/evading a dungeon boss at the same time? I can see there being some value in taking the dude back to surface alive so that he can be forced to spill all the beans, as he should indeed know much, but it seems next to impossible. But I guess anything's possible in a fairy tale. I'll hate Bell quite a lot if the dude ends up escaping because of this.

    Nevertheless, there's no one better than Bell to have around when fighting a great monster/catastrophe. The dude's class is Hero, after all, so you could say that's his bread and butter. Seems like Ryuu doesn't understand it yet.

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    And he has Argonaut, the most OP skill ever, well next to Learis Freese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    And he has Argonaut, the most OP skill ever
    I don't think that's common knowledge. I think only Hestia knows. She doesn't even tell BELL what all his skills are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    She doesn't even tell BELL what all his skills are.
    That is starting to look more and more the best decision ever.

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    Bell knows Argonaut. Hestia explained it to him herself. He even knows the mechanics of the charging and whatnot. What he doesn't know (but I think his entire team knows) is Learis Freese. They decided to keep it a secret from him since knowing about it may hinder its potential since his pure pursuit of Ais will get tarnished by knowing he benefits from it in a broken/cheating way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    What he doesn't know (but I think his entire team knows) is Learis Freese.
    Ah, that was it.

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    S4E10

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    I didn't expect Bell to look like he dies. But we all know Mermaid magic will fix him up.

    I'm not sure I understand how this all fully works. The whole Damage = self-protecting demon makes sense. But the whole Floor 25-27 = a single floor thing seems only relevant only if this monster's strength is floor dependent. (ie by damaging the 25th floor, he can summon a 27th floor abomination). But all their talk suggests that this thing is stronger than that.. and why stop at 27? Go summon it on Floor 28 or 29 for something even stronger.

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    Didn't Bell get a 10 minutes rewind from someone ? Or maybe I'm mixing with another show.
    Now bell can grow up and start going full Guts/Berserk
    Because there's no doubt he survives, only that we need some powers we've not seen yet to glue an arm back for the simpler one.
    Nice tension build-up and cliff hanger.

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    That bloody tamer is an even more infuriating character to listen to than Heimskr in Skyrim (the lunatic priest of Talos in the middle of Whiterun). If I had been Bell, it would have been the end of my career as a hero because I would have chopped his head off just to make him shut up.

    It was actually pretty nice to watch Bell getting killed. He desperately needed a lesson or two about how to be a hero without being an idiot. I hope he learned something.

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