S4E2
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Okay, that guy was scary. The fact that it runs, hides seems to have a face that says "I'm fucking around with you" and does those bendy moves is all scary. I'm glad that we got a good battle after spending nearly the full episode gushing over Bell.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Ep 04
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Ah. The show is living up to its title.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
It has been from the beginning.
Peace.
I've felt that we've spent a significant amount of time outside of the dungeon.Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
It's the first time in a while where Bell's gone down there, meet a girl ("Oh hello there" style) and chill out for a bit.
Earlier in the series it was about Bell being a cute rooking who kept getting smashed but had good spirit. The middle parts seemed to take place outside of dungeons, exploring politics and training etc, and rescuing girls.
It's refreshing here since all he does it meet one and has a nice chat. And it was a very nice chat.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
EP5
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I guess thats it.
That's the moment I understood that I'll never get a Season 1 out of this show again where Bell had "his moment"
This one had the perfect setup, enough build up, the stakes were high....and the conclusion was just underwhelmingly generic.
The level-up-fox spell animation was very nice.
And about 5 seconds of the fight as well.
Just 5 seconds...
edit: I'm going to be bold and haughty and say it. I could have directed that fight better, even with the same amount of "quality" animation (as in, awful in animation) and Sakuga animation.
The squad not cheering on Bell enough , Bell not struggling enough, useless flashbacks, time waster combat animation out of a dragonball Z show - it's all a freaking waste.
The moment to make this fight scene last for the rest of the season and carry the show was there. The stakes were high enough, the were properly developed even with this absolute shitty fight between the 4/5* Aisha and the monster it was there and when Bell arrived I thought this is going to ROCK, but it just didn't happen.
When you get "hyped up" like that, then the fall down is just so much harder and hurts so much more.
*Trash shows* this season had better fights and direction.
*sigh*
What a waste... how low the budget must be for this show to waste such an opportunity.
Or maybe all the talent from Season 1 just left or whatever.
For god's sake, even the death of the creature was like the absolute *worst*
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 08-18-2022 at 12:48 PM.
I was somewhat disappointed when the Moss grew larger. Whenever a boss grows larger, it's no longer the witty, unpredictable humanoid boss but another tank. That's just how it is, and it's how this turned out.
I was also never super hyped in S1 though. For me this seems like standard Danmachi boss fight.
I wonder what he did with the flame sword. We already know he can channel a firebolt through it - it worked against the Minotaur in S1. If this metal disperses mana, then you wouldn't think it'd be buffable. If Bell was constantly channelling a Fireball into that knife for 10 seconds straight it'd seem wasteful.
It definitely sounds he he did a "Imbue your weapon to deal 1000x fire damage on next hit" type of thing, but it doesn't fit the limitations described by our Blacksmith friend.
edit: unless "mana dispersion" requires physical contact and it doesn't just disperse into the air.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Thu, 08-18-2022 at 07:38 PM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I'm glad the whole season wasn't that one monster.
When's he going to learn dual wield?
@Krayz @Buff
Argo Vesta was badly adapted and animated. It was supposed to be an application of argonaut charges to firebolt, which is used on the hestia knife, just like he did in season 1. Instead of just using the knife as a pipe, he used it as a vessel this time. It was his flashiest move in the LN, with all the bells and whistles of a season-ending kamehameha, but ended up underwhelming.
That said, the next arc should be a better opportunity to showcase the S1 minotaur fight choreography and intensity. L-Y-U-F-T-W!
Peace.
Well... I hope so.
S1 Minotaur is still the best "zero-to-hero" moment there is in anime. The best thing is, it's not even nostalgia for me. I can bring it up on youtube and watch it and still get goosebumps.
"Pipsqueak" getting told by Bell to abandon him, Bell at first just trying to prolong the fight as much as possible for her to escape, then realizing that this can't be the solution. Her asking the "elite crew" for help by begging.
The music, the reactions of the characters watching him, the power and weight behind both their moves in combat, the firebolt finish, the way the monster got incinerated, the "mind down"-effect and Bell standing inside the "spotlight" what looks like as if the moonlight was breaking through the dungeon walls. The realization that his stats are awesome etc. etc. etc.
I just can't get the same "feeling" when I read a/the LN, it's just not possible for me.
An Audio Book with background sounds or something? Sure... but without, nah - not the same deal.
So when you say the LN did it better, for me, it already shows how *bad* the anime show just did it.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Fri, 08-19-2022 at 12:35 AM.
It's definitely a budget and motivation issue. The minotaur fight was the chance for Danmachi to either be a forgettable 1 cour show or the franchise that it is now, so the studio definitely put everything they had into it.
Now, Danmachi is already extremely popular, so they don't need to spend as much money and effort. It is an unfortunate reality in entertainment, not just anime.
Peace.
S4E7
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*sigh*.. that's not how foresights work.
If it may not happen then it's not as good a foresight as it's reputed to be.
If foresight always happens then no matter what you do, it'll happen. Don't try to stop people going down to the dungeon. Work out the facts from the interpretations and just mentally prepare. If Aisha is going to be hurt and bleeding, she'll be hurt and bleeding.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Cassandra dreams of the future might not be true foresight.
They survived the clever hugemoss... Eventhough she didn't clearly see anyone dead in that dream.
We don't know for sure what her dreams are. But considering MC's crew is mostly safe, we can assume it's a warning for the most probable outcome and they need to find ways out of it.
So Cassandra's dream might be different from the mythological Cassandra. But she still has trouble communicating her dreams like the mythological one.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Then it's pointless and stupid. If you can't change things, being able to see it is useless.
Good foresight shows you what WOULD have happened, if you couldn't see what would happen, and now know to act differently.
It's not pointless, it shows you what will happen - but what is important is that what isn't shown can be modified.Then it's pointless and stupid. If you can't change things, being able to see it is useless.
If I dream that a hurricane totals my house, my house is screwed - but I can move all the valuables into a car and move that to safety.
If I see a character lying in a pool of red liquid, they might get hurt in the future but I may be able to prevent their death or harm to others. What the dreamers need to do is differentiate what is undeniably true (person lying in a pool of red liquid), and what is an interpretation of that (person is hurt / dying).
Steins;Gate explores such a concept well.
Foresights based on "what ifs" are flawed because it's a guess. If someone dreams that Bell fights Ryu, but then it doesn't occur - is the foresight just wrong, was it avoided actively, or is the fight yet to happen? Is it even foresight at this point.
And on the other hand, if in a dream Bell appears to fight Ryu, and the party decides to not participate in this hunt -
Will joining the hunt lead to the fight?
Or will avoiding the hunt lead to the fight?
Neither is certain, so what will you do?
The only way Foresight makes any actual sense is if what occurs is absolute and you just have to deal with everything else.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
At this point we'd have to know if Cassandra was 100% sure everyone she's seen in predicaments was really dead.
When she's sure they're still alive, then like for the HugeMoss, everyone can come back and survive.
I'd like to be able to rewatch the dream and clearly understand her statements. Even with my low level of understanding, trads get unprecise, miss some useful details or feel wrong. For that dream, we'd need to be 100% sure of what was said to start a discussion.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
@Buff @Darth -
I think the two different precognition concepts you two mentioned work well. They just have different uses in a story, but either make sense. In fact, Darth's version is the more common in fiction.
Precognition that can be changed isn't meaningless because it can mean that what happens in the dream is almost set in stone, but if the precog does something drastic because of that future knowledge, then it can be changed. Part of the tension in terms of story writing is whether the event has already been avoided or is yet to come, and guessing at what actions can be done to change that outcome.
Think of that future dream as a waterfall, and everyone is on the river heading to it. The inertia pushes everything into the direction of the dream, even if you struggle to go against it. It is exacerbated by the fact that no one else knows or believes there is a waterfall at the end of the river except the precog. Now she can struggle all she wants, but "fate" still flows towards that waterfall. It takes something drastic to be able to get everyone out of the river, but it is possible, albeit extremely difficult or unlikely.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Sat, 09-03-2022 at 08:58 AM.
Peace.
Nah, that's still dumb.
If I have a vision where I turn left at an intersection and a piano falls on me, and then I am for some reason incapable of turning right instead, then that is shit writing, and that writer shouldn't be writing visions.
Your foresight was for your original timeline. By taking different actions, you enter into a new timeline.
You can turn right.
But a piano falls on you tomorrow. Or the day after. Or you identified the wrong intersection and you turned left at an intersection later on in the day and the piano fell on you then.
Did you change timelines by turning right at 10am when you first encountered an intersection post-vision? Or was your timeline always going to be that a piano fell onto you tomorrow and turning left or right on the first day didn't matter? The problem with these "what if" visions is that when it happens you think "That was foretold", but when it doesn't happen immediately you can't tell if it's avoided, or just yet to happen.
That's why there are always doomsday prophecies. Did they just not happen, or is doomsday just yet to come?
You write foresights in the manner by having the foresight be snippets of vision, and not a 2 minute video of continuous experience. This way, what you see is indeed factual and inevitable, but the context and circumstances are vague enough to have modifiable variables.
I know both styles of foresight occur in fiction, but the only one that makes any real sense is the one where the future never changes (regardless of whether the MC has foresight, or whether they can travel back in time [which in essence gave them foresight via experience]).
The way "What If" foresights could work is if the MC is able to see both paths and makes a decision based on that. Seeing a flash of one future only doesn't help.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Mon, 09-05-2022 at 05:26 AM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Makes sense? You're literally talking about magic, guy.
It doesn't "make sense" that kid can shoot fire out of his hand. He can, because that's what magic does.
If you have magical sight that shows you what's gonna happen, unless you change it, then that's how that magic works.
Well that's true. Seeing just a flash of anything is rarely very helpful.
You can show me a flash of an episode of a TV show and I won't have a very good idea of what's going to happen.
That works when you have context (eg you can see the entire next day in your dream the night before, so when you wake up you have details and know what to change), or if your foresight is near immediate (like in a certain recent Isekai anime where you can see 1-3 seconds ahead) because the current reality gives context, and the results of your "altered" actions can be assessed in a sure manner.If you have magical sight that shows you what's gonna happen, unless you change it, then that's how that magic works.
When the context is lost because either the vision in chopped up flashes (like here), or there is significant time delay between the vision and its supposed occurance (like here - by "significant" I mean many variables can occur in the interim), then the foresight lacks meaning.
Does Bell get hurt because he joins the hunt, or will he get hurt because he avoids the hunt? All we know is that he gets hurt near a waterfall somewhere, sometime. The direct actions that lead to this consequence is unknown, and thus the action he must take to avoid this is also unknown.
It doesn't really matter whether he intends to join the hunt at the time of this vision or not, because there are too many variables between the two events. Any one of those could be the significant ones.
That's why I think the "flash of a not-immediate-future" foresights lack meaning as a "maybe it will happen, maybe it won't" story device. When I say they "don't make sense" I mean you can't do any real analysis on them or confidently alter your actions based on it.
That's why it's better when those foresights are protrayed and understood as unchangable truths instead. Now we can take action. We know Bell will get hurt. It will be near a waterfall. We can't avoid that. We know it will happen. What do we do? Armour up. Bring potions. Buy an inflatable life jacket if you can afford one. You know that everyone else that isn't in the vision is unaccounted for, so use them to help your upcoming situation.
You make this work by deliberately writing in flashes. If you give it too much context, then you just go back to the "dreamed the whole next day when I woke up" scenario. In which case I'd say yeah.. if that was your story device then sticking to the future 100% is dumb because that's not much of a story.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
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