Hey! I`m ok with Miguel!Originally Posted by Abdula
Hey! I`m ok with Miguel!
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Spidey 2099 wouldn't revitalize the character any more than a reboot with MM as Spider-man. Making Spider 2099 wouldn't make any sense if they want to add Spider-man to the larger Marvel movie world (like with the Avengers or other ensemble movie).
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
What is time traveling?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
How ridiculously convoluted a movie that would be... introduce Spider-man to the larger Marvel movie universe, but not the Spider-man we all know, but another one from the future. You've been watching too many soap operas.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yeah, time traveling, so crazy, it would never work. Your hate for legacy characters is dully noted.
A spider-man from the future goes into the present because the future got wrecked by the results of civil war, just saying.
errrr, how many soap operas have time traveling?
Last edited by UChessmaster; Sun, 02-22-2015 at 01:48 PM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
After the 4th or 5th movie and all the characters are well-established, then yeah time traveling can work. But time traveling an altered character to have him join present day existing characters is soap opera levels of convoluted mess. Will future Spider-Mex meet up with present day Spider-man, or completely supplant him in the present day universe? Most likely it will still be Garfield Spider-man who joins up with the rest of the Marvel superheroes, so keep dreaming.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Technically, this would be the 6th Spiderman movie, considering they don`t have to disregard the previous franchise, thanks for agreeing with me. You`re right, you need 4 movies to introduce time travel, just like the Terminator franchise. And Garfield is confirmed out, so YOU keep dreaming. I love how you keep trying to overcomplicate a simple notion like time traveling in a comic book movie of all things; Nordic god, perfect aim guy, super solider from 1945, impossibly technologically advanced man on armor with a near nuclear power battery attached to his chest, all of these things are fine, time traveling? NO, TOO COMPLICATED! what is this? a soap opera?. Give people credit, they are not anywhere near as stupid as you think them to be.
Seriously though, what kind of soap operas do you see that are more complicated than average comic book events?
How about this?
Introduce 2099 after civil war credits.
Make a movie where Miguel is sent to the present to fix the future.
Once fixed, continue with Amazing spider-man 3 (with new actors, same characters), with any terrible storyline dropped due to time changes. Everyone`s happy.
Pros: It allows the viewers a "break" from Peter, and they`ll be excited to see his return in Amazing 3.
It allows them to make a different take on the character, which could allow for future spin offs (which is in line with Sony`s plans).
No need to re-do Spider-Man`s origins for a third time.
Last edited by UChessmaster; Mon, 02-23-2015 at 08:30 AM.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
People don't see it as 5 Spider-man movies, they see the original 3 and then the terrible 2 reboot movies with that British guy (talk about not giving people more credit for intelligence). A new Spider-man would be another reboot, if not an origin story, especially if it's 2099 Spider-man. I don't think that people are tired of PP, just the Spider-man character. After the first couple movies, it became like any other superhero movie where the villain is the main character. A Hispanic PP would not help because it's still Spider-man vs "some enemy with cool powers that we haven't seen in live action movies before." So if Marvel wants to add Spider-man to the larger universe, there is no need to change the character, just give him a supporting role like Thor or the Hulk in Avengers.
What you're missing about the other characters is that Marvel released entire movies with these characters before including them in the larger Marvel universe. So what you're suggesting is that Spider-man 2099 get his own movie (which would do poorly) then be added to an ensemble movie. Or that he randomly appears in a Marvel universe movie, but he's from the future and the current day Spider-man is where exactly? Dead? Busy with school work?
Your comparison to the Terminator movies is redonkulous because that entire franchise is based on time traveling. Genetic mutations and technological advances that allow super-human powers doesn't make bending the laws of time and space a trivial matter. Oh, a guy can fly, next let's re-write all the laws of physics!
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Sigh, I give up, moving on.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
You mention what would the current spiderman be doing while a future spiderman shows up forgetting that currently there is no spiderman in the avengers movie. I seriously doubt they'll do a 2099 spiderman, but if they do, having him come from the future/alternate universe would be a good way to bring him in.
As for Miles I have no real opinion on him since I don't read the comic books, but if it means that I don't have to go through another uncle Ben death then i'm up for something new.
A lot of Marvel characters don't appear in the Avengers movie but we know they exist in the same universe (or at least comic readers know that). If 2099 Spider-man makes an appearance among the Avengers, the obvious question would be what happened to the current day Spider-man, or would the producers pretend there is no PP Spider-man and only this future incarnation? I'm sure fans would be unhappy with that revision to history. And introducing future Spider-man would deserve more than the 20-30 minutes they could devote to it in an ensemble movie so they'd have to make an entire movie to introduce him, but that movie would flop so it wouldn't help intro him anyway.
While another Uncle Ben origin story doesn't appeal to most fans, that is the origin of Spider-man. Sticking another guy in the suit and calling him Spider-man without the origin and struggleties of PP is rewriting history and a shameful way to bastardize a character. How about DC re-write Batman's origin where his parents don't die? It wouldn't be the same character, just using the Batman identity, and that would be wrong.
Last edited by Animeniax; Tue, 02-24-2015 at 02:00 PM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yeah, don`t bother, the guy is hellbent on absorbing the fun out of ANY speculation that doesn`t fit his selective elitist criteria of what a spidey movie should be. Anything that is not golden age spider-man is wrong.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
It's better than that. We've established previous times that Ani's knowledge about Spider-Man is entirely based on the 90s cartoon, he's never touched the comics.
Maybe he has since 2013, but I seriously doubt it.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Mon, 03-02-2015 at 07:49 PM. Reason: added wiki link to the cartoon
Wow. Lots of free time on your hands.
Actually it's even better than that. I haven't read comics since 1993.Maybe he has since 2013, but I seriously doubt it.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Well, were you born in 1994?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Little blurb out of Hollywoodland that addresses what we've been discussing here about re-imagining characters: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/01/entert...oes/index.html
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
How many family members did you kidnap to blackmailing her into typing the exact same thing you said?
The most hilarious part is that she misinterpreted what they asked her, they didn`t mean Hal Jordan, they meant Jessica Cruz, who happens to be Latin. And then she went on in a totally irrelevant rambling... just like you! Hey! Are you Michelle Rodriguez by any chance?
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You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Or the more likely reality that there are plenty of people who oppose your viewpoint and that "re-imagining" a character with a different ethnicity to satisfy a niche group isn't right, even a proud self-identifying brown person like her. Notice how she said she speaks without a filter sometimes then gets really PC with her view on Hollywood casting, to lessen the anger of casting directors who might pettily dismiss her as a choice for future roles as payment for her criticism. What that tells us is that more people have these "PC" feelings but keep such views to themselves for fear of being ridiculed or excommunicated from society by the PC-police.
As for the Brown Lantern, how many people outside of comic nerd circles think of her when they think of the Green Lantern? Not many. I'll admit I wasn't even aware there was such a "re-imagining", though I am familiar with the concept of the GL ring and how it picks different people to wear it and save the universe, but I don't read many DC comics.
And Will Smith as Deadshot? Wtf.
Last edited by Animeniax; Thu, 03-05-2015 at 12:12 PM. Reason: added "and" for clarity
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
A) That is not my viewpoint.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
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