Yes, really.
What do you guys think? Personally I want to see him in Civil War, since he played a big part in that story, and I feel no other character can really replace him and resonate as much. Do you guys want a continuation of the Amazing line or a new reboot? I want them to continue, just because I don`t want to sit through uncle Ben dying (again).
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Smart move by Sony. Their handling of the Spider-man franchise has been abysmal, while Marvel Studios has done an amazing job with their other properties.
I don't want another reboot.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I really don't care. Just make more Spider man movies. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad, it's just another bad movie I happened to have watched. From the studio's view I'm sure they don't want any investments to flop, but as an audience without any fan loyalty I'm happy to gamble with 2hrs of my life.
So.. given that this means there'll be at least one spidey movie before 2017, that's good news to me.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Well, it appears they`re rebooting, back to high school...
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I hope they go with the Miles Morales version. I think that would be pretty cool and a fresh way to re-introduce Spiderman.
I have to disagree. Instead of making a Hispanic Spider-man, they should just make him another superhero with similar powers. Spider-man is Peter Parker, a white guy.Originally Posted by rockmanj
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Ultimate Spider-Man is just as legitimate as Ultimate Nick Fury. Miles Morales IS the Ultimate Spider-man and is actually very popular. He takes the story somewhat back to its roots and is very in spirit with the thinking(from the creators) that Spider-man could be anyone under the mask. I think it will be a Peter Parker Spider-man that will be in the films, but I don't see any reason why the other Spiderman couldn't eventually show up. The cinematic Peter Parker has kind of been done to death. I think a fresh look would probably piss a lot of people off at first, but I think they would get over it.
Ultimate or otherwise, these re-imaginings are just bastardizations and ripoffs of original ideas. I'd prefer they came up with original heroes with their own stories and ideas. As I'm sure you've from read my other posts, supplanting the original Nick Fury with Ultimate Fury is in poor taste and typical Hollywood pandering.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I don`t think you can ripoff yourself.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Did Stan Lee and Steve Ditko have a part in creating the Ultimate universe with the re-imaginings of the characters they created? More likely Marvel owns the rights to these characters and the original creators had little say in how they are used or "re-imagined". Besides which, how does the Ultimate Spidey differ from the original? Everything seems more or less the same except his ethnicity. If that's true, then it's a bastardization more than a re-imagining.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
By that logic, you could argue 616 himself is a half ripoff or whatever, considering Ditko left because he wanted a totally opposite direction from Lee, and everything after Lee is a full ripoff, so give or take the last 46 years. Your last question seems confused, Ultimate spider man is ultimate peter parker, a character that is VERY close to the original Lee version, just in a modern setting and small changes here and there, as well as more condensed storylines. Miles is not a black Peter, he is a legacy character like the last three Robins, the last three Flashes, last three green lanterns, captain America, thor, etc. He`s 100% a reimagining not a bastardization as you call it.
People want him because of his rising popularity and probably because of how DIFFERENT he is from Peter, I guess people are tired of him after 5 movies and now two remakes.
For the record, I think he should be left for later as a spinoff.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
You can dither about who had more to do with the creation of Spider-man and who has more creative control, but the Ultimate series is completely removed from the original creators and their creations except where Marvel can make some dollars by changing the character's ethnicity or race instead of coming up with a new character with his own powers.
Miles is the black/brown Spider-man, which is the original argument. It's not about turning Peter Parker into a non-white guy, it's about turning the alter-ego of Spider-man into something besides what he is for the sake of being PC. How about a black/brown Batman next? And that black storm trooper? Wtf is that? Was him being brown/yellow not diverse enough? And how is Miles Morales as Spider-man a 100% re-imagining when he has the same powers and name and general story of an existing character that is tacked on to the existing story of Peter Parker as Spider-man? That makes it even less of a re-imagining and more fitting into revisionist history.
People "want" him (debatable) because he's the Spider-man they know from the comic books after Marvel changed him and promoted him as the new Spider-man in the Ultimate universe. Yes we are tired of the Spider-man movies, but that's mostly Sony's fault because they suck as a movie studio (at least with this property). Changing him to a brown kid won't help that. Funny how not that long ago we thought they'd never make a Spider-man movie because of budget and creative differences. Now we can't stop getting bad Spider-man movies because Sony and Marvel want to make them some damn money.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
You sound distraught, remember I`m on your side (for different reasons).
Miles doesn`t has the same powers, nor does he has the same origin. If you go by comic book numbers, Peter vastly outweight him. Just for hilarity`s sake, what do you think of DC using legacy characters left and right?
You need to accept that different version of the same characters exist and is NOTHING new, and that doesn`t makes then any less of a character, if it were up to me they`d be making a Kaine movie instead. I can imagine it now "All the power, none of the responsibility", it will be glorious *snaps back to reality*, right, back to Peter.
Spider-Man has plenty of other characters that are more of a ripoff than Miles; Ben, Kaine, Mayday, Miguel and maybe Flash but there they are, having adventures and being unique, shocking. We have superman, superboy, supergirl, steel, cyborg superman, superdog, superhorse, and super all the animal kingdom really and they coexist just fine, supergirl even got a movie at some point and is getting a tv show. Sony has had plans for expanding the spider universe (understandably so), for ages now, Miles makes a TON of sense, whether we like it or not.
And yes, I know you`re going to counter ALL of my arguments by saying "But miles is blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!", I feel like a masochist now.
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You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Personally, I'd rather they do Mayday than either the original or Ultimate.
But it doesn't make sense at all in the MCU, since Spiderman would have to have been well known for some time.
A bit off topic, but don't forget there are actually a half dozen Supergirls. DC is much worse at the spinoff characters, though a lot of the blame can be placed on the Comics Code Authority for those recurring disasters.
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I'm annoyed, not distraught. Whether they make the change or not, I think it will fail because the vaunted Hispanic market doesn't translate to everything. The Latin music invasion of the early 2000s? Gone and forgotten. Avengers did fine without changing into a multicultural team. How easy would it have been to make Black Widow a black chick?
Try not to rely on the race card too much. It's not about him being black or brown or even non-white; it's about him not being Spider-man. Sure there are Superman, Superboy, Supergirl, etc but only one Superman. Superboy didn't take over for Superman, he retained his own identity and no one ever mistook him for Superman. Besides which, using that kind of idiocy and lack of creativity as a defense to bastardizing other heroes is weak. Is Miles called Spider-Mexican or something other than Spider-man? No, he's taking over the role of Spider-man because Marvel is trying to pander to what they hope is an untapped market to make a quick buck. You say he doesn't have the same origin story, but he gets bit by a spider, shirks his responsibility by letting Spider-man die, then assumes the role of Spider-man. Sounds a lot like Peter Parker's origin story.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Seriously off-topic, but lolwut?
Hispanic music has made a permanent mark on United States music in much of the same way African-American music is the origin of most of the modern music genres.
The 2000s latin invasion might have felt like a weaker influence because of Gloria Estefan, Carlos Santana, and Tito Puente having an enormous influence decades prior. Ricky Martin, Marc Anthony, Enrique Iglesias permanently influenced male pop music acts from the 90s onward. Hell, Menudo is the sole reason boybands exist in America.
To pretend that any major ethnicity hasn't had a cultural impact on US culture is ignorance at best, racism at worst. The US "melting pot" culture is so goddamn pervasive you don't even notice it. That's the difference between the US "melting pot" and the "salad bowl" of any other nation. Yes, there are enclaves of given cultures, and racism abound, but even the most racist Americans won't realize that much of their favorite things come from one ethnicity or another, and were long ago co-opted by the majority.
Marvel was hamfisted with their equality issues in the 90s and early 2000s, but they've gotten much better in recent years. Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) is a stark contrast to some of their earlier attempts, and quite nicely done.
A) Nick Fury
B) Really? Do you see the irony here? No? Just me?
C) 3rd time now, what do you think of the flash, the flash, the flash and the flash?
D) He didn`t let him die, he got there late.
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You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Wow, I didn't know it would get so heated. For the record, Ultimate Spiderman does have a few differences in how his powers work (the biggest being his "venom sting" attack). And yeah, look at the Green Lanterns in DC or the multiple Captain Americas in Marvel. I can see your argument that "Spiderman" is usually associated with Peter Parker, but as many titles have shown, that can change (I man, Thor is a woman now in the books, which is kind of weird, but it sort of works).
And the way Marvel structures its "continuities," the Ultimate universe is as legit as the Earth-616 one. They even had a storyline where the main Peter Parker met Miles Morales, which was canon, by the way. I am not saying to come flying out the gate with MM Spidey (that would be a bold move), but introducing him later in the film chronology would be a smart move and breathe fresh life into the character of "Spiderman"
One person of color doesn't make them multicultural. I guess adding a green guy helped but he was white for a lot of his scenes. And while it was peculiar to see such a lily white cast of heroes, I applaud that over weak attempts to colorize known characters for the sake of being inclusive. A better choice would be to include existing characters of color, but Marvel missed that opportunity by not introducing them in earlier works the way they intro'd other characters.
For me it's not an issue of race, it's an issue of changing characters for the sake of milking them and being PC. I'd rather they included known heroes of color instead of colorizing heroes.
As discussed, DC's shit rehash of characters under new identities is shit, but that doesn't make it ok for others to follow their lead. There is a reason Marvel is the dominant force in both comics and movies.
In most jurisdictions, negligence is as damning as willful action.
And cows go "moo". I'm not saying there is no lasting cultural impact, as obviously there is. But the Latin music invasion was hyped to the gills and they even showed the Latin grammys on broadcast TV for a couple years (NBC I think it was). Now it's relegated to Univision, and while it gets good viewership numbers on that channel, it's not quite one of the big 4. Latin music in the mainstream US is now just music, as it should be, as segregating it to that degree is borderline racist. But that's hardly the point of this discussion.
Nah it's not as heated as all that. It is a fun thing to discuss for those who are socio-anthropologically inclined. I don't take it too personally as I'm neither black, brown, nor white, and I don't read comics anymore. I do watch movies however and seeing an altered hero is as much an annoyance as seeing universal product commercials geared towards a particular demographic, like with McDonald's commercials. It's an annoyance more than a real issue.
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“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I think just doing Spidey 2099 would mollify all of you. It is not like they don't have the money to burn and it would be no worse than that Spider Man 3 debacle. I really don't care for Amazing at all which is damned disappointing since Spidey is my favorite marvel character. I could do with another Hulk movie instead though. Spidey is becoming as old and tired as X-men is.
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