Pretty hard at this point with Ilya dead and buried, with Saber and Archer gone from this world. Other than that, it is quite a happy ending. Big bro Lancer even spared them from the nuisance of confessing to each other.Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Who cares about Ilya? She had a teeny role in UBW anyway. And techinically, she was an enemy.
Archer is better off gone. He was nothing but a dick and a show off. And technically, he was an enemy (for a good part of the story).
Saber resurrection FTW.
Peace.
[HS] FSN - UBW 25
Sweet merciful heavens.
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A Luvia appearance and this "self-defense class"? This episode was better than I could have possibly imagined it to be.
Dere Rin and all the stuff we expected to see is just icing on the cake. Whiny injured Rin also featured here was superior.
And that final sunset fade out before the credits was phenomenal. ufotable completely outdid themselves here.
The only actual criticism I have is Issei appeared.
This was a perfect epilogue. I didn't foresee this at all. I thought we would only get scenes in Japan, with barely any time jumps either. I wouldn't have dared to hope to see Shirou and Rin in London, which is something I always wanted to see. They even visited Saber's grave. Like Ryll already said, Luvia being there was a jolly addition, and the interaction with her was exceptional. I was joking earlier I would be happy to just see some Shirou and Rin flirting, but certainly when there was so much more than just that, it really did the trick. After the stretched parts in the second half of the show, this did wonders to repair the slight annoyance, leaving an aftertaste to remember.
The best thing Ufotable did with this adaptation was mixing Ataraxia so well into the narrative. I was waiting for that german suplex to end the bout, but I guess Rin fans would not be happy seeing her actually lose (she did even in this episode, but it was only implied).
I love the height increase and slightly deeper voice for adult Shirou (not the weird olive green jacket, but meh). Not a fan of Rin's new hairdo, but that's a minor gripe. The dialog at the very end about Shirou's resolve was the best part for me. I love tragic heroes, even more so if they are rewarded at the end.
They even connected this story to another near the middle.
I think the Issei part was a waste of screen time, but the only other thing I would've wanted to see replace it was Saber popping back to life.
Masterpiece. I called it.
I imagine marathoning this would further cement that evaluation. It seems to be the type of story that greatly benefits from that.
Peace.
As I recall, women have to move on from twintails after high school at the very latest. So, there's no helping it. Just like Fate didn't sport the style in Strikers or Vivid anymore.
It was a good ending. Loved the Shirou/Rin interactions. Now I just gotta find something fill up the void left by this.
Pretty fantastic ending, and an amazing job overall with the UBW storyline.
Lluvia was funny, and the spar was pretty good. Ponytail combat Rin ftw. Her other hairstyle, not so much.
Decent number of Ataraxia cameos.
Not sure what the Waver speech was supposed to be about. Is Waver a psychotic hero of justice too?
Wait...that dude was Waver?
Yea, you were supposed to be able to tell from the hairstyle, I think.
Not sure either, but I think he's comparing Rider to Shiroe there... taking into consideration how both their goals are extremely idiotic and their will and ambition to see it through is equally strong.Not sure what the Waver speech was supposed to be about. Is Waver a psychotic hero of justice too?
And just like Rider didn't regret what he did in life, Shiroe says that he won't regret his choice either.
I didn't like the ending *that* much... the reason for that is that Shiroe will end up as Archer no matter what. We see him throwing his life away. Sure, it's nice that despite all that'll happen to him, "he still believes in what is right", but other than "Durr, I wanna be the hero" we get nothing out of him as to why he decides to go through hell instead of a heavenly life with Rin (she failed to stop him btw :/).
Well, maybe he does that because now he can say "I was not wrong" after everything he said to Archer in the end, right? Pah...
Now that I think about it, the saddest part about it is that, sooner or later, Rin will end up alone as a Clock Tower mage. She basically said so herself when she mentioned that she'll end her journey there, marking the end of their relationship before it even began.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 07-01-2015 at 06:41 AM.
You are forgetting we are talking about mages here, not some white collar office workers. In the Nasuverse, and many others, mages are people who are single-mindedly chasing some goal or ideal. The whole Grail war itself was such a thing for the Einzbern and a path to it for the other participants. For both Emiya it's the hero business. Rin is actually a sad mage as long as she doesn't have a goal, unless savingArcherShirou really is her goal. If you take that goal, that dream, away from a mage, you don't get a winner, you get the biggest loser.
Now he simply knows it's a foolish goal after Archer's lecture, but it's still what he's living for as a mage, nonetheless. With Rin around, as a man he has also other responsibilities now.
She'll just spend alone the times Shirou is out there saving the world. But he'll always come back, no doubt about it. Give him a child and he'll come back all the more frequently and quickly. He's in love with her, after all. It seems unlikely he would neglect his own child when he practically worshipped Kiritsugu as his own sorcerous father figure. I reckon as a mage she would even appreciate some time alone every now and then, to advance her research in peace.
Shirou's goal is beautiful. Enough said.
This ending reminds me of the OAV end for Rurounikenshin.
Peace.
not really, unless you consider death sentences and outcomes similiar to them beautiful.Shirou's goal is beautiful. Enough said.
As Archer himself put it: Saving all and saving the individual are mutually exclusive. He'll end up as a killer for hire and sooner or later he won't even hesitate to kill people for "justice"/order. Just like his stepfather before him and his future self.
At least thats his destination.
I agree that his "dream" however is indeed beautiful.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 07-01-2015 at 03:56 PM.
His stepfather lost the person he loved, or actually a bunch of them. Shirou isn't losing Rin. I'm not sure he's planning to return as a hired killer to look after his wife and children. He might choose a more moderate way of doing things. Archer never had such bonds. Rin also promised Archer she will look after him, so if he's about to make a mistake, she'll help him stay on a better path.
You have no faith in love, KrayZ33! No romantic bone in your body.
@Krayz - You're arguments are right, just like Archer's, but it doesn't make Shirou's ideal less beautiful. It is terribly unrealistic and unattainable, but that is part of what makes it desirable. Not everything, especially one's ambitions, should revolve around pragmatism. It's not about what he can do, but what he wants to do.
You're mistaking the end result with the goal. Goal = dream. Result = destination (based on how you used this term, at least). Shirou's goal isn't to die a dog's death. That's just how he might end up while trying to reach his goal. And don't forget, Rin said that Shirou might go further than Archer with her help. That's the end note that ending was going for, obvious from Archer changing his red coat to Shirou's tattered cloak.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Wed, 07-01-2015 at 06:17 PM.
Peace.
I do have that 8[, it's just that both sides (Rin and Shiroe) said that he'll end up as Archer and it's only a matter of time when and where it'll happen. As if saying "with my help you can get further than Archer, but you'll just end up sacrificing yourself and cursing your fate later"Archer never had such bonds. Rin also promised Archer she will look after him, so if he's about to make a mistake, she'll help him stay on a better path.
You have no faith in love, KrayZ33! No romantic bone in your body.
That's giving up and accepting it in my eyes and as mentioned before, even Rin is aware of that, which is why she said she'll eventually end up in Clock Tower - where Shiroe is probably not welcome anymore, thats the only problem I have with this ending (because I wanted to see a super happy ending) the rest is beautiful... it's just that I'd like to have him struggle a bit more to not become Archer in the end.
But the real problem is his idiotic dream, the root so to say, if he can't fix that, it's hopeless anyway.
Always sacrificing yourself for others will indeed result in what we've seen.
The ending is both beautiful and tragic. His dream is pure, but his fate is/will be tragic. I just don't see him escape it from what they gave us in the last episode.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 07-02-2015 at 04:56 AM.
Sure. When he's 85, with grandchildren and ready to die, he'll sacrifice himself for some greater good. I've always thought it's better to die with your boots on than in a hospital bed anyway.
Rin will not end up there for good, per se, unless she plans to retire there when she's old. Tohsaka are responsible for the Fuyuki City, and Rin takes such responsibilities exceedingly seriously and proudly. I don't also see how she could be planning to raise an heir in Clock Tower, either. And she will raise one because that's also a responsibility of a mage and, once again, she views such responsibilities with great gravity. Not saying she wouldn't enjoy making one if Ataraxia taught us anything.That's giving up and accepting it in my eyes and as mentioned before, even Rin is aware of that, which is why she said she'll eventually end up in Clock Tower - where Shiroe is probably not welcome anymore, thats the only problem I have with this ending (because I wanted to see a super happy ending
The clocktower comment from Rin was not about the place. It was the affiliation with the mage association. The clocktower is the symbol for that. Settling in the clocktower means living her life as a mage and staying with the association, not physically residing in that place.
Peace.
So having not looked at Ataraxia yet... from all the posts I'm guessing it's an extension of the UBW arc? And this Waver (hinted) was the same as the Waver in Fate Zero? Turned all cynical, looks like.
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