Madan no Ou to Vanadis

[shinta|hikari]

Elen's stupid reservation got Tigre hurt. A single shot of her tornado beam would have slaughtered that knight.

I do understand where she is coming from though. It isn't morality but pride that is getting in her way. She doesn't want to "cheat" and defeat someone supposedly her equal using magic. It would be akin to admitting that she is an inferior warrior, which is actually true in this case.

@Kraco - He is shocked at being labeled a traitor because he never betrayed his country. He only tried to protect his territory from corrupt assholes. He didn't ally himself with Zchted. He technically hired them for his purposes, which has nothing to do with betraying his country.

[David75]

The whole talk about not using powers is dumbified by the show when she uses it to kill many no names.
It's all about putting partly random values to people, some kind of segregation about how some people are more important than others and the likes.

[Kraco]

@Kraco - He is shocked at being labeled a traitor because he never betrayed his country. He only tried to protect his territory from corrupt assholes. He didn't ally himself with Zchted. He technically hired them for his purposes, which has nothing to do with betraying his country.

Then he's just stupid. The country is already ruled by corrupt dukes, so even a man with half a brain would understand his own ideals amount to nothing. It's the ruler's right to decide who's a traitor and who is not. No matter how evil the ruler is, he's still the ruler. Besides, he is allied with the neighbouring country, no matter if he did something "technically" or not. If he thinks such technicalities really matter, then he truly is a traitor. He did betray his country but certainly not his county. He already knows he did the only thing he could, but there was a price to pay.

[David75]

Regarding Tigre prowess with the bow, I guess that it's not just precision. It involves some precognition or forced outcome power.

More random location names were thrown at us, like Nice city or Orange city from the south and France. There are others, but it shouldn't bother anyone anymore as these really are randomly chosen.

[shinta|hikari]

Then he's just stupid. The country is already ruled by corrupt dukes, so even a man with half a brain would understand his own ideals amount to nothing. It's the ruler's right to decide who's a traitor and who is not. No matter how evil the ruler is, he's still the ruler. Besides, he is allied with the neighbouring country, no matter if he did something "technically" or not. If he thinks such technicalities really matter, then he truly is a traitor. He did betray his country but certainly not his county. He already knows he did the only thing he could, but there was a price to pay.

This is consistent with his character. He is obviously naive and ignorant about dirty politics. Allying with a neighboring country does not make one a traitor. Like you said, the ruler arbitrarily interpreting it as betrayal makes it one.

[Kraco]

Allying with a neighboring country does not make one a traitor.

He formed a military alliance with a rival, neighbouring country and invited in foreign troops to bolster his own against his own feudal lord (duke) and the king of the country. I can't imagine too many worse offenses to make one a traitor. His only saving grace is that they are living under feudalism, which means he can do whatever he wants with his own domain, as long as he's ready to bear any possible consequences, just like he is right now. But being called a traitor ought to be no surprise.

[shinta|hikari]

He defended a territory of Brune against a Brune noble. It would be one thing if he defended a Zchted territory, but infighting is not betrayal. If anything, the one who attacked Alsace should be labeled the traitor.

[Buffalobiian]

But if their rules are similar to Zchted, then infighting would be considered okay. For Tigre to have brought Zchted forces into a Brune territory could be regarded as more of a betrayal though in some regards.

[shinta|hikari]

Betrayal of what? Tigre isn't plotting anything, and he didn't attack any other Brune territory. He even fought with Mila, a Zchted Vanadis. He is merely infighting with a duke, and that is okay by their world's standards. Calling his actions traitorous just because his mercenaries are from another country is absurd. Outsourcing is not a recent thing. The fact that Zchted was not involved as a nation was even clearly explained by Sophie, a representative of that kingdom.

This is probably a plot by Thernadier for revenge. They did mention that the king was ill or something. We all know that ailing kings in fiction are always puppets or even actually dead.

[Buffalobiian]

It's the act that he brought Zchted troops into Brune and compromised their border. This is after Tigre was sent to fight Elen and was taken as a POW. You can join the dots from there.

I'm not agreeing that Tigre is a traitor, but I can see how one could argue so. And yes, the king being ill means he's not making the decisions, or at least thinking straight.

[Kraco]

None of us are thinking Tigre is a traitor, Shinta. But it's a different thing for Brune. Nobody is buying Tigre's claim that the Zchted troops are mere mercenaries. I imagine the war maidens are very public figures in Zchted, and now one of them is openly associating with Tigre, on Brune soil, with her troops in tow. Like Bill said, it's far too easy to join the dots. Even if the troops had been perfectly regular mercenaries without a war maiden, the duke still might have managed to get Tigre labeled a traitor because of them. He simply needed the tough knights there to spare his own troops. Plus this might undermine Tigre's alliance. Any noble now might risk becoming an enemy of the king by associating with Tigre.

[shinta|hikari]

He did betray his country but certainly not his county. He already knows he did the only thing he could, but there was a price to pay.

I just responded to this statement.

[Buffalobiian]

[Hiryuu] Tigre-kun to Vanadi-chu - 04 [720p H264 AAC][50FE480E].mkv
[Hiryuu] Tigre-kun to Vanadi-chu - 05 [720p H264 AAC][F3587DB6].mkv

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He went chuuuuu~, and chuuuuu~, and more chuuuu~.

I may like these shorts more than the actual series.

[shinta|hikari]

The image they used for the Chuu made me crack up at least 3x.

[Ryllharu]

These short side episodes really show off the rather impressive range Iguchi Yuka has (Limalisha if you don't care about VAs).

She goes all the way from Konoe Subaru to Index and back again...even in the same breath.

[Buffalobiian]

HS - Episode 07

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I found it absolutely hilarious that Tigre's show of "talent" to the goddess was ultimately an act of stripping. Titta's hesitating to allow Elen a moment with Tigre lost her points in my eyes. Elen's forceful and possessive, but she knows when a fight is fair.

I in all seriousness, I think I do like the shorts more than the main episodes.

[Buffalobiian]

HS - Episode 08

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These fights are still fun to watch, but I'm really just watching with half a brain switched on. It's too much work understanding exactly where and what each fraction is about.

The supreme commander fellow staring at the arrow as it hit him was pretty funny.

[Kraco]

These fights are still fun to watch, but I'm really just watching with half a brain switched on. It's too much work understanding exactly where and what each fraction is about.

It wasn't that complicated. I liked this ep quite a lot, since little was decided by unnatural powers. Rather, wise tactics and fooling the enemy saved the day. I wish there was more action like that in this show. And in many other shows.

The supreme commander fellow staring at the arrow as it hit him was pretty funny.

Time was halted for a few seconds when the camera shifted from the arrow to the commander and he started talking. I don't know how long an alsin is, but looking at the video at large, it can't be as long as meter. They were closer than that. It might be somewhere between a meter and a foot. Random googling tells a wooden longbow arrow travels at around 60 m/s initially. It wouldn't have given the commander this much time to talk even if he had started to talk right away, which he didn't. On the other hand, since the arrow's path wasn't much of a curve at all, despite the distance, I'd guess Tigre's magic bow gives the arrow an initial speed considerably higher, further reducing the time the commander should have had.

Yeah, it was pretty funny, even with the faulty direction of the scene.

[shinta|hikari]

Tigre can hit from 300 alsins using a normal bow. He did so in the first episode.

[Kraco]

Tigre can hit from 300 alsins using a normal bow. He did so in the first episode.

Give me a thousand arrows and I'll hit from 300 alsins!