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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Uhh...it absolutely does have many of the same elements in its setting.

    Slaine = Suzaku
    Cold and calculating protagonist (too soon to say) = cold and calculating protagonist who gets emotional
    Princess = Euphemia (and probably CC as well)
    Scheming corrupt nobles = scheming corrupt nobles
    Martians = Brittania (and their corresponding overwhelming power by comparison)
    Earth = Area 11
    Cruhteo = [redacted!] (converting him to their side is the endgame, doesn't look like he's in on the conspiracy)
    etc.

    The general political setting shares the same with basically every Gundam series ever, which Geass copied as well. That's why I said Gundam/Geass.
    Shit you might be right!! It will all depend on how calculating the protagonist is. Currently neither of the two possible choices have spoken enough to show. I think there's the possibility though the Earth forces protoganist (I forget his name, the one who encountered the princess under the bridge) seems more emotionless and smart rather than passionate and calculating. but we'll see

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    The gigantic difference between this and Code Geass is that the MC does not seem like an anti hero. That is huge because a huge chunk of plot and characterization in Code Geass is based on the fact that Lelouch is one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    The gigantic difference between this and Code Geass is that the MC does not seem like an anti hero. That is huge because a huge chunk of plot and characterization in Code Geass is based on the fact that Lelouch is one.
    This.

    Which is why I'm saying we'll have to wait and see. The show is starting up a lot slower than CG, so we don't yet know much about the main characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    But did they manage to adapt the technology before - or after the first war?

    If before (which is what I believe happened):
    Why didn't the Martians win the war?

    It sounds and looks like all of the flying castles were in earth's orbit for the last 15 years, why exactly do they need a Casus Belli in the first place

    If after:
    Why did they even go to war against Earth back then? they are (most likely) a relatively small colony compared to Earth's population and depend on its resources and manpower etc.
    They had the super strong technology before the war, and they could have won it had it not been for something that happened on the moon that made them fight for their survival until recently. Now they used the princess's death to legitimize their decent onto Earth instead of unilaterally breaking 15 years of peace.

    That's my take on things.

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    My post got eaten by an accidentally closed tab, so this is all I'm gonna post instead.

    [HorribleSubs] Aldnoah.Zero - 03


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    [07:43] <%Ryllharu> Okay, I like Aldnoah Zero.
    [07:44] <%Ryllharu> Protagonist is one of cold rage, almost sociopathic.
    [07:44] <%Ryllharu> And the Princess doesn't totally suck.
    [07:45] <%Ryllharu> It's kind of nice that it is basically a martian civil war [that's fought on earth] rather than earth vs mars.

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    Achilles' heel was necessary.
    But it wasn't that complicated either, although the strategy and thinking were nice.
    That barrier sure is incredible to be able to disintegrate what must be a huge volume of water. That represents huge levels of energy that goes somewhere we don't know yet, and might no be explained.
    For a civilization with technological levels as such, having very large surfaces of the barrier open is a tad unbelievable.
    After all, if you can create such devices, it's probable that the average technical level is high enough in your population to think about such weakness.
    Moreover, they have laser coms. It's not unthinkable to have multiple holes the size of a needle head that move/open-close around the barrier, making it impossible to do what our MC did. But in the end he had to win, so it's ok I guess.

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    They could afford having holes that big in the armor because no one is smart enough to be able to identify that hole, immobilize the Cataphract, ambush it from behind, then stick a knife in it.

    That is, until Inaho came along.
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    Sure, in a lower civilization environment.
    But where that cataphract came from, this is too huge a weakness, compared to the awesomeness of the barrier. Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    They could afford having holes that big in the armor because no one is smart enough to be able to identify that hole, immobilize the Cataphract, ambush it from behind, then stick a knife in it.

    That is, until Inaho came along.
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say being smart enough isn't the reason Inaho was the first to figure it out. Not being killed right away, and by luck making their way to a tunnel is why he figured it out. The rest of the military died almost immediately, with very few survivors. The daughter of the moles/agent provocateurs survived by luck alone as well.

    Don't forget there was a fair amount of testing involved from he and his friends. They systematically determined why it hadn't found them yet, and exactly what their drone could and could not see. The drone is the reason they figured out what the field did, and where the holes are.

    Cold, analytical, and friends with various skills. Genius? Not so much.



    I think the real question about the conflict in general, is why the Martians are still surrounding Earth, and were looking for pretty much any excuse to come down. They were the ones that stopped the last war, Earth didn't do anything to stop them according to the drunk teacher.

    My guess is that Mars isn't quite as habitable as their technological advancement would lead us to believe. Perhaps the Royal Family and their loyalists want to stay on Mars despite the challenges they face and make peace with Earth so they can visit, where the other side wants to conquer Earth and enjoy the benefits of their overwhelming technology on a planet that doesn't suck.

    The Princess herself is no slouch with her transformation Clarke techno-magic, so who knows, there might be even more to it than that.

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    Im surprised with their overwhelming technology that they don't have global terraforming tech. Then again we haven't seen what's going on on Mars at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Cold, analytical, and friends with various skills. Genius? Not so much.
    His quick thinking, decisions and plans so far scream genius to me. Not anime nonsensical genius (thing NGNL), but proper really intelligent believable genius.
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    just saw episode 2. absolutely hate the main characterīs lack of emotion. Makes no sense here. Fuck off, dude. Give me someone who cares about his buddies, like Eren.

    However, the Kataphrakt was nice. Gave me a genuine feel of desperation there when this thingīs mere touch would desintegrate anything and everything.

    Also: Hiroyuki Sawanoīs music would make anything epic. Someone should remix the music for the new Sailor Moon-anime for the lulz.

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    I think he cares. He even went to stop the Cataphract because his friend was killed. He just cannot show emotion on his face for some reason. I'll admit I am not a fan of it in this specific case because he feels way too robotic, but it isn't a big issue.
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    Aaand episode 3 watched. I agree with some here that itīs almost inexcusable to habe such big energy gaps in this awesome Aldnoah-field. "Holes" the size of a needle should indeed be enough to let through radio signals.

    I also donīt find the hero to be that smart. Yeah, itīs played up that way here, but really, what he did was the one obvious plan: Enemy has a shield that destroys anything by touch. Solution? Well, its foot soles cant be covered by the shield, otherwise itīd fall into the ground. Going from there, it wasnīt a huge stretch to think the enemy gets his visuals from somewhere else - although it was luck that he really depended on top down-cameras. With their advanced alien technology, the cameras could have easily been flying all over the place, giving him a near-life like front vision. Had that been the case, the heroes would have run to their sure death.

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    I think it is simply a matter of degree when it comes to expanding the vision or protection for this particular Cataphract. It was working fine before, and was likely unrivaled by its enemies, so they simply didn't see the need to make it even more invulnerable, likely at the cost of more money or other technological conflicts.

    The hole might be that large simply because they aren't able to finely control the field enough to make it the smallest possible size for its use.

    Inaho didn't just "choose" the "obvious" solution. He planned everything, including the locations, timing, reaction of the enemy, and deduced most of the specs of the Cataphract from what he has seen and from the experiments he devised. He also used what he had to the maximum extent, but even then the enemy was so formidable that luck ended up deciding things. The princess being there and reacting that way was probably not part of his plan. He looks pretty brilliant to me.

    EDIT: What I did find weird was the scene with Inaho stabbing the Cataphract with a knife. He was narrating his plan and taking forever to do it. That could have been delivered better, such as mentally narrating it as if going over the plan again before the knife attack, or narrating it post success. Doing it at the most critical junction does not make sense. It also prolonged the attack time because he had to say all his lines, making it odd how the enemy didn't react having such a large window to do so.
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    why did that Cataphract not move after it fell into the water, I think I missed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Cold, analytical, and friends with various skills. Genius? Not so much.
    Yeah guys, he's totally not a genius. A genius can do magic and shoot laz0rs out of his eyes. Having the analytical capability to run these series of tests and analyze such incredible data and find such a small hole, and then devise a plan of how to actually fight the machine given very limited resources under such duress and extreme circumstances is no big deal. Ryll could have totally done it if he was there. Without even blinking an eye. You go Ryll.





    This series is taking a really good turn, I have high hopes.

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    I like that he doesn't get get emotional and instead thinks of a plan on how he could turn things around. "Screw you Martians!" works so much better when you actually screw them first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I like that he doesn't get get emotional and instead thinks of a plan on how he could turn things around. "Screw you Martians!" works so much better when you actually screw them first.
    I definitely prefer a hero that gets emotional when a friend dies in front of his eyes. But thatīs just me.

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    Nice pacing, nice animation, seems like the story is nicely knit too.
    It's just a little strange the trio of trainees can come up with such a finely tuned strategy on the go when soldiers die like flies stuck on sticky paper.

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