Aldnoah.Zero

[Buffalobiian]

Saazbaum taking revenge on Earth because Martians blew up the Lunar gate while prepping their invasion and killed his fiancé makes no sense at all.

I get that he wanted to take revenge on the royals for his lady dying, but wouldn't that result in a coup on Mars first? It seems like they're skipping a step. After his faction took over on Mars, then they could invade Earth from constantly being whipped up by their leaders to suppress local unrest.

It makes sense (-ish) when you consider the princess dying as being integral to his revenge. Basically he wanted to spill royal blood, and invading earth was just the side-effect of saving his "clan" from destruction.

"How dare you oppress us, lie to us about Earth and make us go to war with them. You want war? Fine, I'll give you war - and I'll make sure it's because your (Emperor's) precious daughter's death that starts it. Still like your war you old fart?"

I thought that the royals could inactivate Aldnoah drives at will, making the counts/countess entirely dependant on them for military might.

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You made a point about Duecaleon's pilot being alive. That's quite valid. Inaho's mum? I find it hard to see her being happily married unless she escaped from the machine and hid her identity before the military arrived.

Slaine's dad may also play a role here somewhere.

[shinta|hikari]

Amnesia flag.

[Buffalobiian]

As much as I enjoy this song, I must admit that the lyrics are completely senseless.

[shinta|hikari]

Wait, was this translated or is that what she is actually saying?

[Buffalobiian]

Wait, was this translated or is that what she is actually saying?

lulz at the fact you can't tell xD (She's actually singing in Engrish)

[shinta|hikari]

I guess that means she is actually saying them.

I really like Mika Kobayashi's songs, but I never thought they were sung in English. Are they?

I thought it was an invented language, like Yuki Kajiura's.

[Buffalobiian]

Before my body is dry (Kill la Kill) was sung in English. attack ON titan (Attack on Titan) seems to be in German, as is βios (Guilty Crown).

[Ryllharu]

No one has better Engrish than MELL. No one.

Of course, the arrangements to her songs are much better too (as part of I've), and she does write all her own lyrics.

[MFauli]

two minutes into the latest episode and my bs-o-meter already broke. wtf is this shit. so bad. she was dead.

[Buffalobiian]

two minutes into the latest episode and my bs-o-meter already broke. wtf is this shit. so bad. she was dead.

I had a pretty long think about this. In the end, I couldn't rule out the possibility of hypoxia sending Seylum into ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrilation, which are the only two rhythms that you actually shock with a defibrillator for. (Otherwise the defibrillator would say "Analysing rhythm... shock not advised.. continue CPR".)

Still, from an animation perspective it did look like magic defib paddles reactivated her heart. In real life, defibrillators send a shock to disrupt abnormal rhythms in the hope that the heart will regain a normality. I don't blame the general misconception though. Defibrillators must look more like car jump-starters than a reset button for the uninformed.

[lelouch]

I had a pretty long think about this. In the end, I couldn't rule out the possibility of hypoxia sending Seylum into ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrilation, which are the only two rhythms that you actually shock with a defibrillator for. (Otherwise the defibrillator would say "Analysing rhythm... shock not advised.. continue CPR".)

Still, from an animation perspective it did look like magic defib paddles reactivated her heart. In real life, defibrillators send a shock to disrupt abnormal rhythms in the hope that the heart will regain a normality. I don't blame the general misconception though. Defibrillators must look more like car jump-starters than a reset button for the uninformed.

You're overthinking this by assuming that those are regular defibrillators. Remember this is in the future where they've discovered that blue skies are a result of "mie scattering" instead of light refraction. Those things that resemble defibrillators might have a totally different function.

[KrayZ33]

two minutes into the latest episode and my bs-o-meter already broke. wtf is this shit. so bad. she was dead.

From something like this? Sounds like baby's first TV show.

Come on, its happening in like every series ever filmed - it's so common, you'd think you are fit for CPR just by watching TV

tbh what happened to Seylum looked like ventricular fibrillation (if we consider how this situation came to be) to me and if I'm not mistaken, the defibs in the metro for example are used to handle that (Inaho said *counter* shock too.. so it's not like he's zapping a lifeless body). You are actually suppossed to use a defib then because it's the only way to fix it from what I know. The difference is, that they work fully or semi-automatic and they actually tell you whether a shock is appropriate or not. Since this is a battleship, one would believe they have automatic ones hanging around as well. "Normal ones" would be rather useless after all, wouldn't they?

[MasterOfMoogles]

Actually, it isn't in the future at all. It is present day of a crazy alternate history!

[shinta|hikari]

I googled this and wiki says:

"Defibrillation is effective only for certain heart rhythms, namely ventricular fibrillation or pulseless ventricular tachycardia, rather than asystole or pulseless electrical activity. CPR may succeed in inducing a heart rhythm that may be shockable."

I guess the last sentence happened, That is easier to believe than a futuristic non-defibrillator defibrillator.

[Buffalobiian]

I googled this and wiki says:

"Defibrillation is effective only for certain heart rhythms, namely ventricular fibrillation or pulseless ventricular tachycardia, rather than asystole or pulseless electrical activity. CPR may succeed in inducing a heart rhythm that may be shockable."

I guess the last sentence happened, That is easier to believe than a futuristic non-defibrillator defibrillator.

That last sentence is true. What the wiki fails to tell you is that you do not shock anything other than VT and VF. It's not a case of "we'll do both and see which one works". Unless you're a doctor, you do not use manual defibrillator paddles. If you're a doctor, you use manual defibrillator paddles because some other heart monitor they're hooked on to confirms they're in VT/VF.

That said, I'm still trying to find out what happens when you shock non-shockable rhythms. Logic would suggest that it screws up your survival even more, since otherwise you'd shock everybody and disregard the analysis stage.

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edit: That was just something that confused me, but it's not the only "false" thing to hit TV screens. Hollywood's already convinced everyone you can zap "flat-lined" people to life, shoot suppressed firearms at cars without people knowing, with said cars exploding with a brilliant fireball.

I do understand that shit like this happens and it's an artistic license. It just the first time I've seen a case where it was tried on asphyxiation instead of the usual cardiac arrest.

[Ryllharu]

So what was it supposed to be Buff? CPR and a little adrenaline/epinephrine?

I thought it was pretty clear the CPR part did more to save her life than the AED did.

[Buffalobiian]

So what was it supposed to be Buff? CPR and a little adrenaline/epinephrine?

I thought it was pretty clear the CPR part did more to save her life than the AED did.

Continuous CPR, re-analyse rhythm ever 2 minutes. Give adrenaline/epinephrine every 2nd cycle (every 2nd rhythm analysis).

Reversing the cause is also important, and in her case it would be hypoxemia (low oxygen in the blood).

If we were concerned about realism, then it can be broken down to this:

A) Does hypoxemia via strangulation result in ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation the way Seylum did? If so, then all is good. We can zap that.

B) If Seylum should have gone into asystole or pulseless electrical activity (PEA) instead, then the defibrillator should not have zapped.

Found a good site explaining advanced life support/defib for those interested.
http://theconversation.com/mondays-m...-to-life-13662

It seems that inappropriate shocking causes more harm in the form of time-off-CPR and lack of organ perfusion. Hypoxemia probably causes PEA, from my short research, which is unshockable.

[lelouch]

Love how everyone is debating the show's explanation for defibrillators. Now let's debate that the show explained that the sky is blue from Mie Particle Scattering, not light refraction.

[Buffalobiian]

Love how everyone is debating the show's explanation for defibrillators. Now let's debate that the show explained that the sky is blue from Mie Particle Scattering, not light refraction.

There's two reasons for this:

1) Few picked up on, or know what Mie particles are, so whether that was correct or incorrect was not picked up nor dwelled upon. (I was actually going to add something to my previous post about how there may other erronous parts that I didn't happen to be familiar with). Whether that Leidenberg effect could really change bullet projectiles like it did would also be debatable.

2) Light refraction / scattering was a relatively minor point in that if the point was wrong, it means Inaho was wrong and Slaine was right. Character-development-wise you can argue that Inaho being wrong is very significant. However, in the case of the defibrillators and her hypoxemia-induced heart rhythm - it impacts on whether Seylum should or should not have survived. Since that was the entire cliff-hanger of the episode before last, I suggest that it is a point more worthy of discussion than light scattering.

(Note that I say it is more worthy of discussion, instead of saying that either is worthy of discussion at all)

[lelouch]

2) Light refraction / scattering was a relatively minor point in that if the point was wrong, it means Inaho was wrong and Slaine was right. Character-development-wise you can argue that Inaho being wrong is very significant.

I think you misunderstood this scene. My understanding was that Earth has learned a lot more about science in the past years and has developed further knowledge, while Mars is dependent on Aldnoah and is behind on the most current information.

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Okay so I googled Mie & Rayleigh scattering, apparently that's a real fucking thing? I thought that was some crazy shit the show made up to show how smart Inaho is that something everyone else thought to be known, he found out some like even more complex answer. I legit thought the sky was blue because of refraction. But apparently it actually is because of Rayleigh fucking scattering? What the fuck is this shit? Was I lied to all through school?

EPISODE 11: ----------------------

Okay that fight scene soundtrack is officially on my workout playlist. What a great fucking show. Haven't been this excited for the next ep since Code Geass or Gundam Seed.