Unrecommendable anime traits

[Kraco]

The sexualization doesn't even have to be overt. The character basically just has to exist purely to provide service to Lolicons. I think a character like Wendy in Fairy Tail is an example of this. I don't think that character would exist in that form if Mashima wasn't trying to check off boxes on a list of target audiences.

You are selling her short. Mashima is hardly a good writer, but I never felt Wendy was there just to placate lolicons. In my non-lolicon eyes I can't view her as sexy standing next to the likes of Juvia, but I like Wendy as a character because Mashima did manage to give her some childish characteristics. I find it cute how she's just a little girl whereas all the other dragon slayers are gruffy men, yet she's still doing her best in all the fights she's continuously facing as a main character. Furthermore, even on a more basic level I can't help but pity her situation where she has no friends of the same age around but is always in the company of adults (even if some of those adults are almost like kids anyway, like Natsu and Gray). Nah, Fairy Tail wouldn't anymore be Fairy Tail without her.

[DarthEnderX]

You are selling her short. Mashima is hardly a good writer, but I never felt Wendy was there just to placate lolicons.

I'm not saying she's a completely one-dimensional character. You can add a character to appeal to lolicons but actually give said character depth.

Wendy was created to meet a loli quota in the same way Chopper was created to meet a mascot quota in One Piece, but both characters are much more developed than that.

[shinta|hikari]

Just like how Bisky and Komugi were included to meet the loli quota in HxH.

[DarthEnderX]

There's no way Komugi is intended to be a Loli. Everything about her seems specially designed to be unappealing.

[shinta|hikari]

I was being sarcastic.

Even Bisky has a giant ugly form that even lolicons will be turned off by. Rather than meeting a loli quota, it was almost as if the author was trolling lolicons.

[Kraco]

Wendy was created to meet a loli quota in the same way Chopper was created to meet a mascot quota in One Piece, but both characters are much more developed than that.

Unless you have read Mashima say that in an interview, I won't believe it. I'm 100% sure Mashima has enjoyed drawing/writing Wendy just as well as any of the central characters, she has served the plot (as far as you can talk about a plot in FT) in her own unique way, plus there are lots of non-lolicon readers/watchers who enjoy her character's escapades in a nonsexual way. You sound like there would be something strange about a kid being there, and so Mashima would have needed some external reason (serving lolicons) to place one in the story. A society can't exist too long without children; there's nothing strange about them.

[Ryllharu]

I'm confident that the only characters created to meet a quota in Fairy Tail are Lucy and Happy.

She's meant to meet the Elie Quota.
Happy meets the Fucking Weird and Mostly Useless Animal(?) Quota.

[DarthEnderX]

She's meant to meet the Elie Quota.

I don't get the reference.

Happy meets the Fucking Weird and Mostly Useless Animal(?) Quota.

That's the Mascot Quota. A.K.A. the "we need something we can sell plushies of" quota.

[fireheart]

I don't get the reference.

She's a character from Mashimas previous work Rave, by the way there's a bunch of references to Rave in Fairy Tail.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/20...09-d5zrqp0.png

[DarthEnderX]

Ah. If they're so similar, maybe I should check that show out. Considering Lucy is probably my favorite female anime character.

[shinta|hikari]

Lucy is your favorite female anime character???

Rave does not end in the anime. You will need to read the manga after it if you want a decent conclusion.

[DarthEnderX]

Lucy is your favorite female anime character???

I think so.

Rave does not end in the anime. You will need to read the manga after it if you want a decent conclusion.

Bleh.

[fireheart]

Ah. If they're so similar, maybe I should check that show out. Considering Lucy is probably my favorite female anime character.

You can always check out the Fairy Tail x Rave OVA to get a peek at the characters in Rave, but like Shinta says it kinda ends in the middle of the show.

Edit: On topic, like Shinta I'm not really uncomfortable with most animes, I still cringe at some embarrassing situations though mostly things that are closer to adolescent embarrassing. But I'm fine with incest etc since there's been so many of them that I don't really think about them anymore. But I wouldn't suggest them to people who don't watch anime.

When talking about lolis I'd recommend Usagi Drop to others in a heartbeat and think it'd be a good show to start if people want to see something more serious, mature and heartwarming. Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood also works but not for everyone because it's pretty long.

Also haven't seen Qwaser, Queen's Blade etc so can't comment on them, but I couldn't really stand watching the first episode of Daimidaler. Just not for me.

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, I just watched the previews about Daimidaler and never picked it up.

I generally dislike and would never recommend shows that have "fanservice" as part of the plot, like all the kissing in Campione, the boob sucking in Qwaser, or the groping in Daimidaler. The entire premise is just too stupid.

[Ryllharu]

by the way there's a bunch of references to Rave in Fairy Tail.

The most obvious being Lucy and Erza's favorite clothing brand is the same one Elie wears all the time.

[fireheart]

Yeah, I just watched the previews about Daimidaler and never picked it up.

I generally dislike and would never recommend shows that have "fanservice" as part of the plot, like all the kissing in Campione, the boob sucking in Qwaser, or the groping in Daimidaler. The entire premise is just too stupid.

Yeah same here, though I was more ok with it in Champione probably because I read what it was about and was interested in the whole God slaying thing before he started making out with every girl like crazy.

The most obvious being Lucy and Erza's favorite clothing brand is the same one Elie wears all the time.

I always thought the most obvious one was Plue because you get to see him so early, though you don't really see him very often. Then there's Sieg/Jellal which is one of the most obvious recurring references though I suppose you're right in the sense that we see the Heart Cruz brand more often than the others.

[Buffalobiian]

Staying on topic, I´d actually love to watch an anime about a successful incest relationship for once.

I just watched the first episode of Mahouka, and it made me realise why some incest themes are rather pleasing to watch. The attraction comes from the devotion of (usually) the younger sister towards her brother, the respect she gives him based on their elder/younger relationship and the way this plays out while living under the same roof (as opposed to just at schools/cafe/training).

The "taboo" aspect is enhancing in that the sister will act this way despite knowing society thinks badly about it. It clearly tells you the brother means more than the world to her.

I wouldn't shy away from recommending an incest anime based on that alone. I would warn someone that it contains incestuous themes in case it's something they'll avoid, but the recommendation goes out anyway.