Really exciting setup for a story. although i thought he was mentioning "weīre weak" a tadbit too often, lol.
Loving this anime (No Game No Life), though my 2 complaints remain: The rushed story-telling (itīs rather obvious that the author didnt mean for this story to be rich and full of world building) and the annoying, otaku-pandering little sister-relationship. See, I am an otaku, but shit like this makes this anime un-recommendable to friends of mine who are not hardcore-anime followers :/
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Tue, 05-06-2014 at 09:37 PM. Reason: Added No Game No Life reference to give the moved-post some context.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
That is so true. A lot of the people I recommended Mahouka to are turned off by the incest aspect. It really seems to be a major issue for non-anime fans while to seasoned watchers like me it is no problem or even interesting depending on the approach.
Peace.
I can certainly see that. I've watched my share of anime, and I'm still not entirely comfortable with the brother-sister incest themes. And that's just being comfortable, I won't be liking it any time soon. Although I guess I can already appreciate some of the humour. But would I recommend such shows to more casual watchers? Hardly.
Itīs not just incest or "incest-y" stuff, though. Absurd panty-shots, skimpy clothing in general, sexyfying of loli characters, stuff like that.
I mean, I love Claymore, but how can I keep a serious face when recommending this anime for its great, gruesome battles, the serious, desperate atmosphere, when the anime is inhabited by girls running around in skin tight leggings, super-short skirts and such?
Whatīs annoyingly common, too, is putting the main character through lots of awkward/weird scenes involving getting into embarrassing situation with some girl, which is so overused of a trope that it can only be counted towards otaku-pandering, too.
Really, this is also one of the reasons why Hunter X Hunter is so fantastic. Not a single scene that would make me have second thoughts about recommending it to anybody who likes an adventure story.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
And then they curse you for that Hisoka gay-pedophilia scene...Originally Posted by MFauli
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Or the Palm hebephilia for Gon.
I actually think people can be oversensitive when it comes to incest themes. They start disliking the show just because of that, even if it only makes up a small part of the show, and may even be integral to the story (and thus not just fanservice). In this show, it is inevitable that they behave like that, considering they only have each other and it's been that way for a long time.
The common argument people make is "I have a little sister but she doesn't act like that." Yes, and people get thrown into different worlds or shoot magic from their hands in RL too. It's fiction, so there can be siblings like that. Just because it isn't common in real life (but likely exists) doesn't mean its bad or unbelievable within the confines of the story.
Another aspect that people overlook with incest themed stories is that there are cases where even characters in the story find the sibling relationship abnormal (i.e. Mahouka, OreImo, NGNL). It would be different if everyone in the story did not even bat an eyelash when siblings are getting too flirty with each other.
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Peace.
I would literally die if I had to watch Oreimo together with other people in the same room that are not otaku temselves. :/
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Japan... i hate them for that too, take Enju from Black Bullet for example, she's freaking adorable the way she issexyfying of loli characters
however the first scene she is shown: A huge spider shoots its white goopy web all over her face and clothes
I don't even mind them showing her off in a towel (when they ate dinner together), as long as they don't overdo it because I can always go on and say to myself "well, kids might run around naked if you let them" but shit like that makes my skin crawl a bit
(the fact aside that little girls are fighting big ass monsters and I'd never recommend something like that to someone who is not into anime)
I can't remember anyone who didn't like watching Golden Boy (seriously!), but I could never recommend a show like that, nor do I like to watch something like that myself.
thats one of the reasons why I recommend Movies and OVAs over tv-series.. unless its something like Cowboy Bebop
higher production value, less *weird*-fanservice
Last edited by KrayZ33; Fri, 05-02-2014 at 06:15 PM.
I think people should get out of their comfort zones a little more. They would discover so much more if they do so. There is such a thing as acquired taste after all.
I am actually more supportive of "weird" fanservice, because they are actually introducing something new to the mix. Generic fanservice has been done to death and has become a waste of screen time. Either try something different or be creative about how to present it.
Peace.
I recently had to consider whether I should recommend Steins;Gate to a friend or wait until they've seen a few other anime first so the geek culture/slang doesn't overwhelm them. Shows like FMA:Brotherhood and HxH are easy to recommend in comparison.
I think the variety is good since it caters to various audiences. The key is that there is a variety. The problem is when every show in a season goes for a soft-core fanservice approach.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
It's key to not try to introduce someone to anime with a series that is too Japanese. Anime makes a lot of cultural assumptions of its audience, and viewers can be put off by a lot of things they don't understand because the authors and production companies just assume the viewers know or would never be bothered by it because it is considered normal.
Its often better to start with something that plays to the particular strengths of animation in general. Fantasy or scifi being the most obvious, where the special effects never look like out of place mismatched CGI that live-action has to deal with. Usually series with a more western feel are even better because they don't use those same Japanese cultural mainstays. To the more western cultures, anime has an advantage of slightly more mature storylines than typical animated series of the west.
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is probably my favorite series to try and introduce somebody to anime with.
It just seems to have the perfect blend of everything that makes anime enjoyable(to me at least), without getting too much into the stuff that can make anime cringeworthy.
Also, it doesn't go on indefinitely, which is a plus when trying to get someone to try it.
Yeah but that scene is like 50 episodes in. They're already hooked by then.
Also it's hilarious.
I think comfort zones are the only things keeping some people from committing victimizing crimes. And some tastes people shouldn't acquire.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 05-04-2014 at 08:37 AM.
The slippery slope thing? I don't think that preventing people from expanding their worldview and being more accepting of other people's preference because it might (?) increase the risk of them doing something is illegal is the right way to go.
Just because someone likes something different from the majority does not mean they will start victimizing others because of it. A lot of people imagine hitting their boss or some jerk but they don't do it. The proper way to control and educate should be just that, making people understand it is okay to like whatever you want, but not to the extent of doing something that victimizes others (I don't want to say hurt because people hurt each other all the time, and I don't want to say illegal, because some laws make no sense).
Back on topic, I don't know how much anime you guys watch, but I'm curious what tropes or themes actual anime fans still find unsettling. I ask this because I think I have reached a point where I don't mind anything that would usually shock or turn off others. Don't get me wrong, I still hate some tropes, but that is usually because of over saturation, rather than lack of immunity.
Peace.
I suppose there may be an absurd amount of gory violence that could make me slightly uncomfortable, but I can't tell you the last show that did. Blood everywhere is fine. Intestines all over the ceiling fan seems... a little exaggerated. I get a feeling I'm watching something for psychopaths when I see it.
Maybe Fist of the North Star was one, and again maybe it was because I was younger then. Those older films had a thing for detailing such scenes.
There are also some hentai themes that I don't like, but I suppose we're not going there.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Sun, 05-04-2014 at 09:14 AM. Reason: wording.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
- Fulfilled incestual relationships. One-sided ones are fine, even implied is okay, but when the series ends and the two siblings, cousins, or parent-child are post-coitus in bed...too far.
- Obviously pedophilia and the illusionary term hebephilia (Guess what? It's still pedophilia). However, this contrasts the Lolita-fetish adults where they are both adults and consensual (Konata's mother and father, various other examples) are fine. I'm actually a fan of the comedy trope where the mother or even grandmother looks ridiculously young.
- Shit like Maken-ki. Takes ecchi too far and in general is just gross. It's a very fine line between things like Queen's Blade and Qwaser (which are ultimately enjoyable) and this trash, but whatever it is that separates them makes a difference.
That would be the only things I find actively "unsettling or replusive." There are plenty of anime tropes I simply do not like and are a turn off or detrimental to the series, but they don't bother me.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sun, 05-04-2014 at 10:11 AM.
Except that the distinction is made in medical literature, with strict definitions of what constitutes as paedophilia in DSM5.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
We're not getting into this again, even if there is medical literature to "justify" it.
I have blessedly enough never encountered anime or manga with parent-child incest (other than in the form of clear domestic violence). The regular sibling one was tough enough for me to get used to, and it still bothers me every now and then, especially when there would be better partners around (like Kuroneko in Oreimo, to give an extreme example, although I never finished that show after hearing how it approx ends).
After all these years I think I'd enjoy a show where a brother and sister would be really close and friendly and would even purposefully have fun by tricking their acquaintances by hinting there could be more (like that one scene in Mahouka superficially), but in reality neither would be in love with the other in a man-woman way.
Iīm surprised that someone whoīs been watching anime for years would still feel so grossed out about incest themes. Tbqh the lackluster fullfillment at the end of Oreimo was worse than had they stayed together.
Staying on topic, Iīd actually love to watch an anime about a successful incest relationship for once. But not one thatīs all depressing or too creepy (forgot the name, but thereīs this anime where a brown-haired, overweight uncle (?) gets together with his much younger niece, and itīs all presented in such a trist, painful way. Hard to watch. And kinda bad end, too. Then thereīs stuff like Myself;Yourself that cops out and doesnīt properly show anything, just a quick "hey, weīre a couple now!".
My personal opinion on this topic is that incest between siblings should be okay (parent-child would obviously have an unfair power balance, so itīs a no-go for reality), so an anime should be able to portray it as something that *can* work out, too.
As for stuff that I myself find unsettling, hm. Mostly stuff I find annoying, but unsettling? Well, I guess too gruesome stuff, like when someoneīs eye is pierced with a sharp tool. I cant watch shit like this.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
No, but if the thing that they "like" is portrayals of victimization, it sure doesn't help.
If people's "thing" is sexualized lolis, I don't really feel like anyone needs to respect their desire to expand their worldview.
If you want to argue that they're both wrong, I'm not gonna argue with you. If you insist that they're the same thing, that's just factually wrong. They're different terms for different, specific things.
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