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    It's clear that they did, but the logistics of it all is blatantly unrealistic and poor writing. Surely there are other parties other than the Japanese NSA including other agencies who weren't informed of the operation. Who is going to reimburse the hotel for the massive damage, both physical and reputational? What about family members who just had their family member murdered without any trial? Unlikely local police was involved in the operation.
    they even said that "Internal Affairs and Public Safety were more satisfied than expected"
    that does indeed include every single security service I can think of. So by the time something went into motion, someone from high up is already in on what happened.
    Family members are not really relevant, they can't even know about what happened. They might suspect them to be dead, yet there are no bodies and its most likely not that uncommon for people to disappear in a criminal organization like that.
    The hotel might demand compensations? Not going to happen, I'd be suprised if the owner was not involved with (or is) "No Head Dragon" it's a chinese themed Hotel in which a chinese themed criminal organization frequently meets to discuss their dirty deeds. It's probably going to be razed after this. Who knows what amount (and what kind) of money flowed through their hands.

    I know I'm pulling this out of my sleeve, since the aftermath was explained in a rather minimalistic fashion, but let's be fair here, it's really not any different from what we see in movies or read about in books.
    Someone with influence is able to cover it up. Bam! That should be enough and given how corrupt this and even the real world is... its actually somewhat likely


    How about the inhabitants of the adjacent rooms? Surely they weren't pleased by all of this commotion. I would have expected a more covert operation than "Blast the fucking hotel wall".
    I would've expected him to use his sniper rifle for shots like that...
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    It's because he doesn't aim with the gun. He aims with his haxx Elemental Sight. I think his CAD can be the shape of a lollipop or a pony and it would still work.
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    I reckon his CAD has the shape of a big gun because it excites Miyuki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    I reckon his CAD has the shape of a big gun because it excites Miyuki.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    I think his CAD can be the shape of a lollipop or a pony and it would still work.
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    EP Oniisamas
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    10 --- 6
    11 --- 8
    12 --- 4
    13 --- 6
    14 --- 1
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    16 --- 4
    17 --- 12
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    that is a chart of how many Oniisamas' happened in each episode.
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    14 almost became the combo breaker.
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    How about the inhabitants of the adjacent rooms? Surely they weren't pleased by all of this commotion. I would have expected a more covert operation than "Blast the fucking hotel wall".
    Partly why I misidentified the hole in the wall as a window was because it wasn't "blasted", but erased. The wall simply disappeared much like the rest of the dudes in that room.

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    Episode 19 - HS






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    Flying has been mankind's dream as long as mankind has had dreams, but nobody bothered to develop the magic for it before Tatsuya did it on his spare time. I'd assume nuclear fusion was a multi-billion international project even in the Mahouka world because they would need cheap energy just as much as we do. Yet, by the time this arc is over, Tatsuya will have solved that as well on his spare time, when thousands of (magical) scientists with their huge budget failed.

    The Japanese soil must be pushing up fascinating mushrooms and the author of this story is tasting all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Flying has been mankind's dream as long as mankind has had dreams, but nobody bothered to develop the magic for it before Tatsuya did it on his spare time.
    At least one author misunderstood the theory of flight magic according to Tatsuya. If it's a prominent review that's been peer-evaluated and no one's spoken up about how it's wrong, you can assume that no one in the field really had a good grasp of the concept besides Tatsuya.

    Fusion itself seems to a development that had been locked down for some time, and was only able to make any progress once gravity-control was made a reality.

    I suppose the only way to kill Tatsuya would be with a headshot if he's able to replicate spells in an instant. Even bloodloss doesn't kick in fast enough to reach his brain before auto-heal does its job.

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    I think it is obvious from this episode why Tatsuya is able to do all these ground breaking things. The step mom implied it, and his achievements so far, particularly how he achieved them, provide the evidence.

    His cheat-level elemental sight seems like the root of his abilities. He can see the breakdown of everything, be it matter or magical sequences. If he is the only one with that ability, it would be easy to see how he can one up even those who have spent their lives studying certain fields.

    Just imagine having two people race at fixing a software bug, with one side seeing only the UI, and the other having access to the code.

    Also, I think the view that Tatsuya is too perfect is invalid. He did not pop out random abilities out of nowhere. He was originally that strong. Imagine placing SSJ4 Goku in the dragon ball world when Goku was a kid. That is what happened when Tatsuya attended high school. This episode explicitly stated that he belongs at a much higher level, but he is staying there for Miyuki.

    Characters like Tatsuya appear in a lot of stories. They are the "super powerful idol" archetype. It just so happened that he is the main character. That isn't even that uncommon, like Kenshin. Kenshin also made all the right decisions, outsmarted and outfought everyone, until he met people of the same caliber (mostly old buddies). It just so happened that Tatsuya has not met those people, who definitely exist, yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    At least one author misunderstood the theory of flight magic according to Tatsuya. If it's a prominent review that's been peer-evaluated and no one's spoken up about how it's wrong, you can assume that no one in the field really had a good grasp of the concept besides Tatsuya.
    If you look at how airplanes were developed, that theory doesn't hold water. They were developed everywhere, following their own paths, even if some basic things ended up the same. But then again, if you look at birds or insects, they also share a lot of flying related details among their groups. It simply take some basic things to fly, but otherwise different inventers did what they wanted. Peer-evaluation is also concept fitting for science and relatively modern engineering in companies (or institutions). It doesn't apply to the kinds of brilliant visionaries airplane design relied on for a long time during its early development. Just like Tatsuya doesn't need anybody to evaluate his inventions.

    If gravity control had been needed for fusion, then it would have been developed already, even without a single high schooler. Unless we are supposed to be believe that the world never had a single decent magician before Tatsuya was born, and thus there was nobody around to invent anything worth mentioning. Ironically enough this very episode proves that wrong with the relic even Tatsuya is unsure he could replicate because it's so complicated craftsmanship, meaning brilliant magicians capable of creating such things existed already in the ancient past.

    Shinta's theory seems like something that would obviously greatly benefit a lone inventer, but multi-million research teams would be able to deal with it sufficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Shinta's theory seems like something that would obviously greatly benefit a lone inventer, but multi-million research teams would be able to deal with it sufficiently.
    How can you know that? There is literally no way to relate it to the real world. We have no magic. There is no one in the world with a singular skill like Tatsuya does. You can complain how convenient it is for him to have that singular skill, but he is the main character, and they usually have something like that.

    Even if you have millions of researchers that focused on flight (which you don't, because that would skew job distribution), they can't solve a problem that is supposedly unsolvable given their limited perspective.
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    You mean it's like solving a mathematical problem that has been unsolved for years or centuries?
    It's probably like that yeah.
    It's the caliber of someone like Newton on calculus, or Schröedinger, Einstein etc... People whose discoveries or contribution clearly change the game for Humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Even if you have millions of researchers that focused on flight (which you don't, because that would skew job distribution), they can't solve a problem that is supposedly unsolvable given their limited perspective.
    No it wouldn't skew anything. People have wanted to fly from the ancient times, that much is clear. And you can bet that if we didn't have airplanes right now, because nobody had invented them (unimaginable, but for the sake of the argument, let's try to imagine it), then you can bet there indeed would be millions of people on Earth trying to think how we could fly. And a week from now we would be flying as airplanes are so simple an uneducated person can build a perfectly working one from regular junk at his backyard. It's utterly unimaginable that in a world of magic and a population in billions a million people wouldn't be giving some thought to the matter. A good portion of them would then be serious people, and again a good portion of those would actually be paid good money and have high resources. Flying kicks ass, after all.

    When Tatsuya explained it, the explanation didn't even sound complicated. There's absolutely no reason why one would then need some mysterious tenth sense to figure it out like you claim. We already know the magical nuclear fusion would require something an ancient civilization already produced in the form of those relics (go figure why savages could construct them and the modern world can't), so even that doesn't need Tatsuya and his eleventh extra sense.

    This story's writing simply has this unbelievable stupidity on a universal scale that's supposed to make Tatsuya look really cool and smart. And perhaps some 13 years old would buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    If gravity control had been needed for fusion, then it would have been developed already, even without a single high schooler. Unless we are supposed to be believe that the world never had a single decent magician before Tatsuya was born, and thus there was nobody around to invent anything worth mentioning. Ironically enough this very episode proves that wrong with the relic even Tatsuya is unsure he could replicate because it's so complicated craftsmanship, meaning brilliant magicians capable of creating such things existed already in the ancient past.
    One distinction that I think is important is that Magician != Magic Engineer.

    Additionally, Cardinal George was also credited with major magic engineering advancement and he is also in high school.

    It is also possible they are in an age of a "Magic Renaissance" where magic engineering has previously taken a back seat to magic activation speed and power output, but now is being recognized for its importance and contribution, thus is getting more focus. And as David pointed out, its possible Tatsuya is a "1 in a billion" kind of guy.

    Edit for above post: While the relic may be the key to sustainable fusion, we also don't know what the relics intended purpose is/was. Just because it is the key to fusion doesn't mean the people who created it ever thought of the application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exglitch67 View Post
    Edit for above post: While the relic may be the key to sustainable fusion, we also don't know what the relics intended purpose is/was. Just because it is the key to fusion doesn't mean the people who created it ever thought of the application.
    Well, yeah, nuclear fusion requires modern science. The relic is ancient, so if it really is what Tatsuya and others think it is, then it was probably used for something far simpler, like maintaining a perimeter or whatever the people of the past could think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    When Tatsuya explained it, the explanation didn't even sound complicated. There's absolutely no reason why one would then need some mysterious tenth sense to figure it out like you claim.
    This is just your assumption. How would you know how complicated the process was before he came to such conclusions? I don't. You don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    This story's writing simply has this unbelievable stupidity on a universal scale that's supposed to make Tatsuya look really cool and smart. And perhaps some 13 years old would buy it.
    You repeat this in almost every post making it appear more as bias than a proper evaluation.

    It seems that nothing anyone can say can make any explanation in this show believable to you, so I will just let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    It seems that nothing anyone can say can make any explanation in this show believable to you, so I will just let it go.
    Sure you can let it go. But let me just remind you that the things I was complaining about were merely two individual details, one of which is merely a possibility: The flying and, possibly, the fusion. I won't be complaining about the relic because it's obvious it has been sitting in some vault for decades, everybody thinking it's impossible to replicate and figure out - because nobody decent ever tried.

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    I love the MC in this show.
    "I don't really want to help you, but this magatama thing will totally help me rock the school science fair, so okay."

    I felt really bad for that sniper. The dude snipes the MC in the heart from super far away, only for him to immediately regenerate and snipe him back with his magic pistol. Poor guy.

    From what I understand, they already have fusion (or at least Tatsuya does), but you just need a magician to run it at all times. He wants to create a way for it to run without actually needing a magician to run it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfMoogles View Post
    I love the MC in this show.
    "I don't really want to help you, but this magatama thing will totally help me rock the school science fair, so okay."

    I felt really bad for that sniper. The dude snipes the MC in the heart from super far away, only for him to immediately regenerate and snipe him back with his magic pistol. Poor guy.

    From what I understand, they already have fusion (or at least Tatsuya does), but you just need a magician to run it at all times. He wants to create a way for it to run without actually needing a magician to run it.
    They do not have sustainable fusion as technology.

    The success of continuous gravity control enabled the prospect of sustainable fusion - but said gravity control meant the 24/7 requirement of a magician playing a cog in that machine. Tatsuya is trying to overcome this.

    You're right in that they have fusion in the bag now, just that they haven't actually built anything or put it into use.

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