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    He is already capable of taking down the Yostubas, who are the strongest family of magicians. There's not a lot left in Japan that he can't handle with force.

    And as for Miyuki, this episode suggested that she gives him a powerup if anything.

    Tatsuya is cautious. If he doesn't have a way to beat someone, he will by the time he meets them. If not, he doesn't meet them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    He is already capable of taking down the Yostubas, who are the strongest family of magicians. There's not a lot left in Japan that he can't handle with force.
    That's assuming a lot. The Yotsuba should know exactly how strong Tatsuya is and if he has any weaknesses (Miyuki included, but it's unlikely they would do anything to her, considering she's a Yotsuba as well). However, as long as the Yotsuba don't give Miyuki too much reason to rebel, everything will go smoothly for the family. After all, Tatsuya is devoid of feelings, which means he won't feel ambition, regret, envy, greed, or anything that would make him a danger, as long as Miyuki is relatively content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    And as for Miyuki, this episode suggested that she gives him a powerup if anything.
    No, she simply gives him motivation when normally he has none. Well, I guess that's actually a powerup, yeah.

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    Tatsuya is cautious. If he doesn't have a way to beat someone, he will by the time he meets them. If not, he doesn't meet them.
    That's why Miyuki is his weakness. I suspect the mafia would have used Miyuki against him had they realised their enemy was more or less one dude. But they never realised it until the last moment, and then it was too late already as Tatsuya left no witnesses, at least none that he knew of. It ought to be pretty dangerous to normally operate calmly, cautiously, and logically, like a robot, but then suddenly be left at the mercy of emotions if Miyuki got involved. He should operate then worse than a normal human who always has to deal with emotions. But this story being what it is, I kind of doubt Tatsuya would ever need to face dire circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    That's assuming a lot. The Yotsuba should know exactly how strong Tatsuya is and if he has any weaknesses (Miyuki included, but it's unlikely they would do anything to her, considering she's a Yotsuba as well). However, as long as the Yotsuba don't give Miyuki too much reason to rebel, everything will go smoothly for the family. After all, Tatsuya is devoid of feelings, which means he won't feel ambition, regret, envy, greed, or anything that would make him a danger, as long as Miyuki is relatively content.
    Tatsuya has already stated that he has no trouble taking out their aunt and the rest of the resisting Yotsuba. The only reason he hasn't done so already is because he won't be able to rule over them nor gain the acceptance of the other families with his current standing.

    Miyuki herself also supports her brother's revolt because she believes they've mistreated him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Tatsuya has already stated that he has no trouble taking out their aunt and the rest of the resisting Yotsuba. The only reason he hasn't done so already is because he won't be able to rule over them nor gain the acceptance of the other families with his current standing.
    Yeah, and he's only certain he can do it because he's a fricking high schooler. Besides, that reason is as good as any preventing him from doing it. It also shows he lacks emotions that he states he could slaughter his own family yet doesn't do it because he couldn't control the clan afterwards. It's also quite possible the country would see him, and Miyuki, dead, if he toppled Yotsuba. Would he destroy Japan next, then? It's anything but an easy situation, and appropriately his mind of a robot will hold him back. Perhaps Miyuki would like to see especially his situation made better, but there's no easy way to do it. But there would be easy ways to make the situation even worse. Only in a very naive story someone too powerful is gladly suffered by the surroundings. Tatsuya's mere existence would make him no end of enemies if he made his real power known by destroying Yotsuba. And there's no way he could protect Miyuki from everything if enough enemies appeared.

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    This will all depend on Miyuki. I think that Maya believes she can be controlled, but she does not know the extent of the brocon that she has. I think Miyuki is willing to sacrifice everyone in the world including herself for Tatsuya and vice versa.

    Siblings or not, it is a very abnormal relationship.

    I don't think Tatsuya will rebel anytime soon. IIRC, he mentioned that he wanted to go through high school with Miyuki so she can experience it. It would be hard to do that if he had to hide himself and kill the Yotsuba one by one. I'm pretty sure he will not survive if they gang up on him. The Yotsuba would not be feared by that old dude if they weren't worth their salt.

    Also, is he really totally emotionless? There were a lot of scenes that implied otherwise. Sure, he only feels very strongly when Miyuki is involved, but that does not mean he does not feel irked, pleased, or melancholic, albeit in a far lesser extent than normal humans.
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    Only in this show can a high school kid blow a hole through an expensive hotel and murder all of its inhabitants on domestic soil and have authorities be totally cool with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Also, is he really totally emotionless? There were a lot of scenes that implied otherwise. Sure, he only feels very strongly when Miyuki is involved, but that does not mean he does not feel irked, pleased, or melancholic, albeit in a far lesser extent than normal humans.
    Impossible to say. Like you said yourself, he wants to give Miyuki a relatively normal high school life. Keeping that in mind, anything that could endanger that rather broad concept could invoke his feelings since Miyuki would be affected. He's living with her and sticking to her, and vice versa, so he ought to be experiencing emotions plentifully enough. Even during this tournament he probably wanted Miyuki to experience winning as a team member so he was motivated to help the other students as well.

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    He seems to personally dislike troublesome stuff, and only takes them on when Miyuki urges him to. I'm thinking that is an obvious sign of his own feelings and motivation.

    He also likes getting the upper hand in conversations, which hints at pride, even when Miyuki is not in the room.

    His choice of including Leo and Mikihiko in the team probably is due to bias. He could have worked just as well with others, but chose them.

    @lelouch - He calculated that his actions are in line with the military's goals, so he was not only tolerated but even thanked for it.
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    Only in this show can a high school kid blow a hole through an expensive hotel and murder all of its inhabitants on domestic soil and have authorities be totally cool with it.
    What exactly lead to the assumption that said authorities didn't want this to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    What exactly lead to the assumption that said authorities didn't want this to happen?
    It's clear that they did, but the logistics of it all is blatantly unrealistic and poor writing. Surely there are other parties other than the Japanese NSA including other agencies who weren't informed of the operation. Who is going to reimburse the hotel for the massive damage, both physical and reputational? What about family members who just had their family member murdered without any trial? Unlikely local police was involved in the operation. How about the inhabitants of the adjacent rooms? Surely they weren't pleased by all of this commotion. I would have expected a more covert operation than "Blast the fucking hotel wall".

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    It just means that whoever Tatsuya is working for is powerful enough to deal with the clean up.

    Funny enough, since Tatsuya can see and shoot through walls anyway, he could have done it without damaging anything. He could have gotten the information without showing himself, after all.

    Another interesting thing is that since the dudes got disintegrated, no one can ever prove they were killed lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lelouch
    . Who is going to reimburse the hotel for the massive damage
    Massive damage as in the sprinkler going off? Not much else happened otherwise. Maybe the table lost a leg.

    I sure don't think the British government send out cheques every time James Bond blows up something.

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    His choice of including Leo and Mikihiko in the team probably is due to bias. He could have worked just as well with others, but chose them.
    I do believe what Tatsuya said. Plus, trust is a big one there when working as a team. I don't think many of the other competitors would be willingly accept Tatsuya's plans given his weed status.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Yeah, and he's only certain he can do it because he's a fricking high schooler.
    Yeah, he's only certain because they're the strongest fraction in Japan's ruling magicians and his arch-enemy currently. And this "highschool kid" is a national asset trained in war, has the destructive potential of an ICBM and a genius inventor as well as technical advisor for the Japanese military.

    "Highschool kid" is the least of his identities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I do believe what Tatsuya said. Plus, trust is a big one there when working as a team. I don't think many of the other competitors would be willingly accept Tatsuya's plans given his weed status.
    The thing is, Tatsuya could have dealt with the entire opposing team by himself if he wanted to. The last part when he was bleeding from his ear? Why would that even happen if he could fix broken ribs and a ton of other damaged parts in an instant? The other members were extras, period. And he chose the extras from his favored pool.

    Tatsuya isn't a robot, even if he himself wishes to view himself as such. His actions and decisions so far contradict such a conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta
    The thing is, Tatsuya could have dealt with the entire opposing team by himself if he wanted to. The last part when he was bleeding from his ear? Why would that even happen if he could fix broken ribs and a ton of other damaged parts in an instant? The other members were extras, period. And he chose the extras from his favored pool.
    He could have, yes, but he didn't want to. That's why having a trusting team helps because he can be assured that they'd at least carry out the orders he planned. If his team consisted of others who thought they knew better, things could have gone awry and Tatsuya would have been forced to reveal more superhuman abilities to save the match (as opposed to executing this planned show accordingly).

    I agree that he voluntarily left his ear unhealed to prove that he was injured. At the same time, I do believe that he normally keeps his auto-heal spell on auto so that it only kicks in when extensive damage is done.

    ... which makes you think, exactly how much damage did Miyuki do to him when she floored him last time for "infidelity"?

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    I fully agree with Bill. He chose partners he could count on acting according to his plan, more or less, and thus he was able to lessen his own part. All the more reason if he's compared to an ICBM; had he killed somebody due to having to do everything by himself, they would have lost by default. In the beginning of the show he wanted to avoid attention, wisely so, but to serve Miyuki's interests, since she's so adamant about Tatsuya getting recognition, he accepted various responsibities. It's natural he still tries to follow that path as much as he can, while not avoiding his obligations, and it involves a bit of acting here and there as well. Obviously he doesn't trust anybody else too much, though, considering he's almost always there when trouble appears, to secure Miyuki's jolly high school days.

    And I don't care if he's a national treasure. All the more reason there must be a thousand plans of how to take him out if he ever gives a reason to suspect his loyalty or integrity. There's no way he would know all of those plans and were ready for them. Well, actually I guess he could be in a shitty story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    ... which makes you think, exactly how much damage did Miyuki do to him when she floored him last time for "infidelity"?
    Enough to hinder him in combat, so maybe broken bones or ruptured organs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post

    I agree that he voluntarily left his ear unhealed to prove that he was injured. At the same time, I do believe that he normally keeps his auto-heal spell on auto so that it only kicks in when extensive damage is done.

    ... which makes you think, exactly how much damage did Miyuki do to him when she floored him last time for "infidelity"?
    I disagree that he voluntarily left his ear unhealed. In my opinion that was the first instance of weakness we have seen fromTatsuya. His self regeneration spell activated before he did his flash cast thing, so the ear drum was the result of damage taken after he had healed himself. Its probably fair to assume that there must be some kind of cool down on the self regeneration protocol, meaning Tatsuya cant just go around healing himself whenever he takes damage. So the spell probably does take a catastrophic even to activate. I think that Tatsuya being tired after the battle with Ichijo was not an act and was the result of either healing his damage or producing the flash cast. I agree that if it was a real battle both Tatsuya and Ichijo would of done things differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Massive damage as in the sprinkler going off? Not much else happened otherwise. Maybe the table lost a leg.
    Pretty sure he blew a giant hole through the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelouch View Post
    Pretty sure he blew a giant hole through the wall.
    What hole? He keep sniping demon light through a window.

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    That wasn't a window. Tatsuya opened up a hole in the wall.
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