Log Horizon

[MFauli]

I really liked this episode, it's cool how they're exploring this world and finding new ways to make it work

That´s why real mmorpgs all suck. They advertise it as YOUR adventure, individual, unique experience and all, but it all comes down to a generic grind that every player goes through in the exact same manner.

[David75]

That´s why real mmorpgs all suck. They advertise it as YOUR adventure, individual, unique experience and all, but it all comes down to a generic grind that every player goes through in the exact same manner.

Because it proves to be an easy and efficient way to get money from players...

[KrayZ33]

That´s why real mmorpgs all suck. They advertise it as YOUR adventure, individual, unique experience and all, but it all comes down to a generic grind that every player goes through in the exact same manner.

there are MMOs out there that give you the freedom to decide what you want to do.
EVE online comes into mind, and Everquest Next is a game I have high hopes for too in that regard

[MFauli]

there are MMOs out there that give you the freedom to decide what you want to do.
EVE online comes into mind, and Everquest Next is a game I have high hopes for too in that regard

The freedom to make my own rules and my own gameplay-mechanics? I doubt it.

[KrayZ33]

for the "my own rules" part, yes, for the other part - thats just ridiculous and its not like shiroe did something like that.
he added the adventure subclass to rudy because the game allowed him too.
if he can make up stuff like that he should start offering quests by contract and add +10000^3 xp (or whatever is enough to reach max level) to everyone who solves the quests
or add the summoner+mage class onto himself

[Munsu]

I'm 10 episodes in, and I didn't care much for this series as it began, but little by little it's been growing on me. Really liking it right now.

[exglitch67]

for the "my own rules" part, yes, for the other part - thats just ridiculous and its not like shiroe did something like that.
he added the adventure subclass to rudy because the game allowed him too.
if he can make up stuff like that he should start offering quests by contract and add +10000^3 xp (or whatever is enough to reach max level) to everyone who solves the quests
or add the summoner+mage class onto himself

I agree he should explore the possibilities of adding different sub-classes to himself and his closest comrades but watching the episode again, he didn't actually give anything to Rudy. It was actually a status granted by the "guild". I think that is a strong distinction because there might be limits to what guilds can "grant" as a reward to members. As for contract quests with EXP rewards, I guess its possible but don't forget he used some pretty rare items to achieve that magic. He probably does not have an unlimited supply of ink and paper. One of the many reasons he wants to keep the contract a secret more thank likely.

Also last thought on the different sub-classes....since they are all level 90 (level cap) could they take advantage of other skills without the ability to level up? Maybe the first step is finding away around the level cap.

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[Buffalobiian]

Also last thought on the different sub-classes....since they are all level 90 (level cap) could they take advantage of other skills without the ability to level up? Maybe the first step is finding away around the level cap.

Depends on how their levelling system goes I suppose - whether you are awarded points when you level up, which lets you improve the skills you choose, or whether skills themselves automatically level up with use, allowing you to build other skills that haven't been maxxed out even though you can't actually level up your character overall.

Serara's household skills sound like it should be the latter.

[Kraco]

Also last thought on the different sub-classes....since they are all level 90 (level cap) could they take advantage of other skills without the ability to level up? Maybe the first step is finding away around the level cap.

The toughest guys, that we know of, are all level 90, which was the previous level cap. However, the reason why so many players were online to be sucked into this game world was the expansion that was just released. It also raised the level cap. The whole reason for the exp potion ordeal were some level 90s, who were competing to reach level 91 by using any means available.

[NeoCybercoin]

The fact that Shiroe pulled a stunt like that and worked only means that the game has a whole new bunch of rules that nobody knows about yet.

[Kraco]

The fact that Shiroe pulled a stunt like that and worked only means that the game has a whole new bunch of rules that nobody knows about yet.

It's their reality now, so I suppose there should be laws now, not rules. Physical laws & magical laws. That would be far more interesting than only adding a few more things to the list of rules dictating what's possible. After all, laws of nature merely tell what's impossible somewhere beyond the horizon, otherwise leaving it up to the people to do whatever their imagination can come up with.

[exglitch67]

The toughest guys, that we know of, are all level 90, which was the previous level cap. However, the reason why so many players were online to be sucked into this game world was the expansion that was just released. It also raised the level cap. The whole reason for the exp potion ordeal were some level 90s, who were competing to reach level 91 by using any means available.

Completely forgot about that.... I think buff may also be correct in that sub-classes like "House keeper" and "Scribe" maybe able to be leveled just by use, without requiring characters to actually level up. Adding a different class tree however like "Enchanter" + "Sorcerer" would have to be done by leveling up I would expect.

I thought the entire point of the show to this point was that there was magic that could change the "Laws" of the world (assuming both elder tale & reality) and the Sage guy was investigating that specific magic class. Personally I think he gave Shiroe enough information to make a world class spell so he could observe the outcome. In fact he just made Shiroe invent a way to make People of the Land immortal.... The Sage is probably up to no good. Of course he could of just facilitated for the sake of observation.

[KrayZ33]

imo: the sage is some kind of game-guide... to introduce new mechanics to the players

[Xelbair]

I think that Shiroe exploited something akin to bug - only adventurers(players) can be guild members, so by making a high grade contract to add someone to guild, he used that rule in reverse - he is in guild, therefore he must be an adventurer.

I'm 75% sure that he wants Shiroe to be his successor, and casting world-class magic takes your life away.

[Buffalobiian]

There's no reason that it should use your life force is there? As in is it just a hunch or do you see something that don't?

[Munsu]

I'm all caught up now. Seems like this is a 25 episode series, and we're at 20 right now. I do hope this gets a second season because I think there's plenty more to explore in this world.

[Buffalobiian]

HS - Episode 21


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Well at least it's not Akatsuki getting bogged down over the whole revival thing. Minori can waver all she wants about the way Shiroe does things, but that can't happen to Akatsuki since her devotion is character-defining. Interestingly, the Izumo Knights are "Precursors". It could simply mean that they were the previous saviors, but the choice of words makes them sound like an ingredient for creating adventurers.

The story teller was definitely a mage belonging to the same type of order that the "male mage" is from, but whether they're in this together I can't say.

[MFauli]

You know, Nyanta has to be one huge, creepy nerd. Keeping up his "-nya" thing and hanging out with a little girl all the time. Having that said, I´d like to see a situation where Nyanta shows us his serious side, losing his permanent cool.

That female ... mage (?) was interesting for sure. Maybe she´s the one who also used world-class magic? Or she´s just like the male mage, as Buff said.

While this precursor-talk sounds like some exciting mystery, I find it hard to actually get excited. Because no matter what, the fact remains that this world is just a computer-generated game world - it will always rank below the real world, so whatever the precursors are, they were not some awesome "first generation adventurers". At best they´re some sort of program or admin group or beta testers or whatever. That´s why any talk about Eastal´s past is boring to me, it doesn´t amount to much.

Also, hope we get to see some real romance here between Shiroe and Akatsuki, and Rundel and Izuzu.

[Ryllharu]

I'm disgusted that the end of the episode, and certainly the preview, is hinting at a love triangle (of sorts) developing between Shiroe and Akatsuki and Minori. I already hate Minori, not need to help it!

The story teller was definitely a mage belonging to the same type of order that the "male mage" is from, but whether they're in this together I can't say.

It is far more likely she is of the elf clan that cursed the world originally. They even gave you an appropriate flashback of the story so you could see the similarities in her hair and general proportions.

@MFauli: Nyanta is a true gentleman. There's no chance between him and Serara because he's not a creepy pedo, but he is precisely the type of person that would escort a young lady at social events.

[MFauli]

But he´s still a freak for going through with his "-nya"-thingy, even when they´re all in a really serious situation. :>