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    I still love Sayu in lovesick spaz mode. She finally admitted all the grown-up attitude, becoming a model student, and other stuff was because she was trying to make herself become the perfect girlfriend for Kaname (whenever he happened to come back). Now she's all fired up to give it her all to, win or lose. I can't wait to see how badly it will going, with Kaname being kinda a dick lately, and Chisaki probably reciprocating Tsumugu's feelings (we all know it by now, even Kaname can see how well the two mesh).

    Tsumugu compares Chisaki to the sea, but he is too. He's very calm on the surface, but full of inner turmoil underneath. We finally got into his thoughts as he dove into the sea, possibly for the first time ever. He was willing to let himself die to make sure he didn't lose the chance. I guess the good parts of the Sea God's emotions answered, and gave him ena.

    I do feel like they glossed over the reveal about his parents. They hinted at it being a much bigger deal when he saw his mother in the city. Then they just brush it off with a few sentences.

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    I actually really liked Hikari recently. He has grown so much as a character, and his natural charisma is amplified because of it.

    I'm pretty sure Manaka was going to confess to Hikari after the festival, but since I like Miuna more, I am conflicted whether I want Manaka to regain her emotions. I certainly do not want to condone cutting off someone's feelings without their consent (regardless if it is for their own or everyone's good) but I want the Hikari x Miuna ending as well.

    Kaname is so screwed, and I feel sorry for him. That is, until I realized that if he just accepts twin tails' love, he will be a much happier than being with bat crazy Chisaki.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    I do feel like they glossed over the reveal about his parents. They hinted at it being a much bigger deal when he saw his mother in the city. Then they just brush it off with a few sentences.
    It still fits Tsumugu's personality not to dwell on it, even though the issues definitely felt much bigger. It's not like he would have ever opened up that much and complained about anything, big or small. He just silently deals with everything. That makes his decisive chase after Chisaki, to the point of accepting death, all the better.

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    Episode 24 - HS






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    Man, everybody's so dramatic. Tsumugu was a bit more forceful than I expected with Chisaki. Though he's still so stuntend emountion wise that it's hard to judge if it was out of passion at all but simply because he though logically it might serve his goal of capturing Chisaki the best, since he claims he can read her. There's quite a bit of difference between reason somebody's feelings of the moment and guessing how the person will feel about and after some action. I reckon Tsumugu falls short on the latter front. I hope he manages to stop Chisaki before she jumps. It was lucky he happened to be there when she mused about it. He should recruit the others as well to keep an eye on Chisaki.

    Kaname is my least favourite of the characters, but I still felt pretty happy for him. Tsumugu+Chisaki should have been easy enough, but of course Chisaki being so annoyingly stubborn about all the wrong things, it can't be helped it fell through. It's pretty hard for Tsumugu considering the consequence is Chisaki moving out, as expected.

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    I actually like Kaname a lot. His type is what people tend to dislike usually, and I can sympathize with that. He acts as cool and adult as Tsumugu, but gets the short end of the stick every time, while the Tsumugu only gets the best outcomes.

    Miuna was great this episode. She and Hikari really do resemble, and deserve each other. I wonder if that ending is still possible.

    This show really has developed into something much more than I ever expected it to be. It is complex, unpredictable, and yet not forced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    while the Tsumugu only gets the best outcomes.
    That's an exaggeration. Tsumugu isn't a very natural person with his emotions, making him either awkward or blunt with others, and I think he has paid the price for that plenty of times. Like the others, he also had to live years next to the person he loves knowing the love won't be returned, at least not for a long time, perhaps not ever knowing Chisaki. Add to that the very reason why his love won't be returned coming to him and asking him to pretend to love somebody else. Even now he's trying a pretty desperate plan to change the situation. This doesn't really sound to me like always getting the best outcomes.

    Kaname might have in fact gotten a far better outcome with this episode, since it looks like he might not be like the others, unable to get over his first, futile crush. I don't think he was lying when he told Sayu he would now try to look at her as well from now on.

    I guess Tsumugu is pretty lucky academically, though: He's like one or two years into university studies and is already doing fieldwork with a professor.

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    I was disappointed the Kaname-Sayu exchange didn't use lines like, "I can't say that I like you back yet." and "I'll make sure that you only look at me!" Especially after Sayu called him a tragic heroine. Amazing line by the way.

    It's not that great when she wins over Kaname's heart just by saying she was waiting for him, and he only accepts her because he finally found someone to fall back on. The whole scene felt like they had forgotten about it until now, and wrapped it up too neatly.

    As for Miuna, I do hope she is the winner, but that's looking somewhat less likely. She's approaching the sister zone. It's still love, just not romantic love. Her warm and melty eyes gazing at Hikari on the porch though...he's an idiot if he can't see her true feelings.

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    @Kraco - I said outcomes. The process might have taken a long time, but Tsumugu is always the winner, unlike Kaname and Miuna who are likely doomed in their love, or even Chisaki who fell in love with someone she didn't want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    It's not that great when she wins over Kaname's heart just by saying she was waiting for him, and he only accepts her because he finally found someone to fall back on. The whole scene felt like they had forgotten about it until now, and wrapped it up too neatly.
    I didn't feel like that at all when watching the scene. We have seen Sayu plenty of times lamenting her situation or trying to encourage herself and Miuna. Kaname is a different story because he never thought about Sayu in that way before this scene, so it's unfair to say he would have needed some foreshadowing. But we have certainly seen him feeling lonely and left out, and getting beaten by Tsumugu to approach Chisaki.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    @Kraco - I said outcomes. The process might have taken a long time, but Tsumugu is always the winner, unlike Kaname and Miuna who are likely doomed in their love, or even Chisaki who fell in love with someone she didn't want to.
    I don't personally think the best outcome requires long years of suffering. The best outcome for Tsumugu would have been Chisaki accepting her new feelings during the five years. There was no particular reason preventing that either, since she did know Hikari loves Manaka. It's actually harder to understand why she didn't want to move forward and instead chose the limbo, well, aside from her personality which isn't the easiest and thus explains everything.

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    Kaname is a good guy, and knows how unrequited love feels, especially if you are not even considered as partner material, which is why he reacted so well to Sayu's confession.

    Panicking and saying stupid things after being confessed to are stuff dumb and/or selfish people do (i.e. Manaka, Chisaki).

    @Kraco - I don't really see living with your loved one for 5 years as years of suffering. Having trouble holding back is only one aspect. He definitely got a lot out of it too.
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    Episode 25 - HS






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    Man, Chisaki really is looking for any chance and opportunity to sacrifice her own happiness for the sake of others, whether those others actually need saving or not. I hope she won't be like that forever but will actually accept her role as Tsumugu's happy girlfriend once this is all over. But if Miuna remains in the sea for long, who knows, Tsumugu might need to constantly keep an eye on Chisaki so that she won't try to sneak down there to take Miuna's place. The after the ED scene makes it hard to judge if Miuna sleeps for a long while or a short. Standing naked on the beach kind of suggests she didn't come up with Hikari and Tsumugu.

    Tsumugu might be quite emotionless and wooden, but I'd say that makes his scenes with Chisaki all the better. Especially since Chisaki herself seems to be amused by his robotic way of trying to understand feelings using logic.

    If nothing else, the sea god is certainly predictable. I wonder why nobody expected this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Tsumugu might be quite emotionless and wooden, but I'd say that makes his scenes with Chisaki all the better. Especially since Chisaki herself seems to be amused by his robotic way of trying to understand feelings using logic.
    That guy is gold. It's hilarious how matter-of-factly he states that Chisaki loves him, yet it's 100% truth so there's no denying it.

    As for Miuna, the preview certainly did look bleak. It looked as if an era had ended and the world was beginning anew. I too have no idea how long she'd have been asleep for. At the very least Manaka would be past reproductive age.

    I had the feeling that one of the girls would be taken, but wasn't sure who.

    That's the thing with sacrifices, you must do it properly or it's insincere. Personally it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but if you're going to sacrifice someone, don't scramble around when it gets taken.

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    Miuna deserves far better than the lot she is repeatedly given.

    I was annoyed at Manaka's wishy-washiness before she was ever taken the first time compared to the way Miuna has been more assertive and upfront about it (even if she's trying very badly to hide it), and now Manaka gets to escape and has her Ena restored while Miuna loses everything. I already kinda disliked Manaka, but now I actually hate her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    That's the thing with sacrifices, you must do it properly or it's insincere. Personally it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but if you're going to sacrifice someone, don't scramble around when it gets taken.
    That's the problem though, isn't it? They're trying to sacrifice the statue (even one with Manaka's feelings close to it), but the Sea God keeps taking real girls. Their only stupid mistake was letting Akari stand in it's place the last time, then be surprised she was actually taken. This time the Sea God is just being greedy.


    edit: What I mean is that it feels like Manaka gets everything without ever doing anything. Much of her time is spent running away from things, just like Chisaki. But where Chisaki suffers because she realizes what she's doing...Manaka gets rewarded for her evasive behavior! Miuna ends up putting in a huge amount of effort for her happiness, and doesn't get that much to show for it, so far, just Akari as her new mother. The scene with Manaka having Miuna cover her ears is pretty representative of Manaka's actions throughout the series.
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    It doesn't matter how much effort you put in if the other person simply doesn't love you back. And that's all Miuna hasn't gained. It's not a matter of effort. She simply never had a chance in the first place. You say Manaka is rewarded for doing nothing, but her personality of gleefully running around is what Hikari apparently loves, so she's doing that. She also dropped into the sea and started to drown, which is exactly the same way the others got their ena as well.

    I had a feeling Miuna wanted to fall down there and get rid of all of her wasted feelings by sleeping there. Maybe those feelings of hers resonated with the sea god's ones, and that's why she was chosen. After all, the sea god apparently has no wits left, only feelings and power floating around (and Uroko).

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    Episode 26 Final - HS







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    A really good ending, I think. Very conclusive as well, which still feels nice, I guess even nicer than Pupipo's after this many episodes of character development. Sure, it was pretty Hollywood with Miuna immediately returning as well and accepting her lost first love, but to be honest I preferred it this way. I was mainly caring about Chisaki+Tsumugu at this point, but considering Chisaki's personality, if Manaka hadn't be cured and Miuna hadn't returned, Chisaki wouldn't have allowed herself to be happy and the favourite pairing would have been ruined, thus ruining the whole ending. So, it had to be like this. I suppose so many people gaining ena and thus the sea village invigorated was kind of extra sparkle on the icing, but it was also a nod toward the beginning of the show when this show seemed to be about otherwordly scenery, atmosphere, and alternate history (or perhaps reality) rather than drama.

    One of the best shows of the season, no doubt. I'm not generally speaking any big fan of heavy drama and especially triangles, but this show had so many other elements I couldn't help but enjoy every episode.

    Last but not least Tsumugu's grandpa rocks. The grumpy geezer didn't utter a single friendly sentence during the whole fricking show, did he? Yet he's still loved by his grandson and the grandson's wife-to-be. During the last scene of him in this episode, I came to think we see the generation gap in the grandfather and the grandson: During the grandfather's days it was quite plausible to be so ill-tempered and impolite, but during Tsumugu's modern days it wouldn't get you too far in the normal society. So, his problems with his emotions manifest differently.

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    Excellent show. And since I AM a fan of drama and love triangles done properly, I am classifying this as a masterpiece. The show knew what it wanted to do and where it was going, and achieved it.

    I also like the message at the end. Changing, or not changing, can be the right answer. It really captured the struggles of everyone in the story in such concise words.

    The ending was nice and conclusive, which is extremely rare in anime. Original productions like this give me hope that excellent shows can still be produced in the anime industry. Side note: Madoka Rebellion also made me think this as well.
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    I actually didn't think much of this ending. For one the Sea God released his girl because he saw her crying. The implication was that she was crying every now and again about her loved one. Someone who's moved on (to the Sea God) doesn't cry like that, so the Sea God actually made the right call in my books. Since that didn't make sense to me, the whole ending seemed to be flawed.

    Everyone gaining Ena also wasn't explored. It didn't need to be, but if the story hinged on "We were being asses because we thought humans couldn't re-gain Ena", then I think a little explanation would have helped.

    I liked the story overall, but contrary to the above I found the ending comparatively underwhelming.

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    She was crying for the same reason as Chisaki. She was crying because she was forgetting about the dude on land, not because she wanted to go back. Her feelings leaned towards the Sea God and their children, and she likely felt guilty or simply felt sad that she is forgetting her old love. The Sea God misunderstood that and sent her back, much like how Hikari tried to get Manaka and Tsumugu together.

    I think the Sea God's story nicely represented and wrapped up the love polygons in the show.

    The Ena thing and the sea god will flame thing I just chalked up to mystery. Nothing supernatural in this show made much sense anyway. It was all about the characters and their relationships.
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    Chisaki cried probably within the first year of losing Hikari, but I don't think she kept crying afterwards. If the maiden only cried initially after meeting the Sea God, then that fits. I got the impression that she cried more recently though. Ah well, whatever.

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    Chisaki cried when she realized she was in love with Tsumugu. She even vocalized it by saying that she only spent 5 years with Tsumugu compared to her entire childhood with Hikari, but she now loves Tsumugu, and she hates herself/feels guilty about it.

    The ojoshi-sama was crying recently before she was sent back, because the reason she is crying will never resolve itself until she completely forgets about the dude on land, which is exactly what she does not want to do. It is a continuous cause of emotional pain for her, but not the type that the Sea God imagined.
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