Naruto Shippuuden: Episode 329

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In terms of being controlled by the Sharingan when outside, the hypnosis seems to be a kind of genjutsu which I don't see why it can't be dispelled like a regular genjutsu when working with a partner who can jolt you out of it by providing a chakra burst in to your system.

If all you had to do was touch it and inject some chakra into it, it wouldn't be the disaster that it was when Madara and Tobi took control of it.

As for the summons, if you can't control the beast then I don't think the summon is going to be useful for you.

It does if all you care about is stuffing it into the statue and you're Tobi.

Step 1. Teleport someplace 100 miles away.

Step 2. Summon the Nine-tails.

Step 3. Sharingan him and seal him in the statue.

Besides, a summon would indicate a contract which if the Kyuubi doesn't want can't be useful given that it seems the only Kyuubi agreed to the contract was under genjutsu/by force.

That is making a huge assumption. Tailed Beasts aren't Animal Summons. We don't know if the same rules apply to them.

It's also irrelevant because if there is a contract, Tobi already has it because he summoned the Nine-tails back when he fought the 4th.

I don't recall it being said that a jinchuuriki enhances the power of the bijuu, do you have a reference for that?

I thought it was said by Diedara and Tobi after they defeated the 3-tails. But most of that arc was filler, so I'm not sure.

EDIT: Found it

It seems to me that this isn't even actually full beast mode but a weaker form. Remember Naruto only has access to half Kyuubi's chakara and perhaps if he had it all he would be able to transform in to the full solid beast. Bee, who has also taken control of Hachibi's power, doesn't have a glowing mode and that would indicate to me he just jumps straight to the full transformation.

I disagree.

Bee and Naruto aren't the same. Even though Bee controls Gyuki's power, his chakra cloak is exactly the same as every other Jinchuuriki's chakra cloak mode. Even though he supposedly has full control and cooperation, his cloak is still blood red, burns shit that it touches, and doesn't react to the wood style or give him the ability to sense hostility, just like Naruto's was before he defeated Kurama.

For whatever reason, Naruto's transformation is completely different from the other Jinchuuriki's(because he's the Six Path's reincarnation or some shit). And for whatever reason, now that they are teamed up, that transformation is being extended to Kurama's beast mode.

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If all you had to do was touch it and inject some chakra into it, it wouldn't be the disaster that it was when Madara and Tobi took control of it.

Maybe it was a disaster previously because even when you freed Kyuubi from control it would still go on a rampage fuelled by its own hatred, as it did against Konoha when Tobi was defeated by Minato. Now Kurama is an ally so that shouldn't be a factor.

It does if all you care about is stuffing it into the statue and you're Tobi.

Step 1. Teleport someplace 100 miles away.

Step 2. Summon the Nine-tails.

Step 3. Sharingan him and seal him in the statue.

Fair point. Though I think if Naruto could learn his dad's teleportation technique then he could overcome it but that's just n

That is making a huge assumption. Tailed Beasts aren't Animal Summons. We don't know if the same rules apply to them.

It's also irrelevant because if there is a contract, Tobi already has it because he summoned the Nine-tails back when he fought the 4th.

We don't know the rules of any contract so any comments on them are going to be assumptions. My point is about attempting to break the contract as when it was originally made it might have been done by force, hence being invalid.

I thought it was said by Diedara and Tobi after they defeated the 3-tails. But most of that arc was filler, so I'm not sure.

EDIT: Found it

The assumption Deidara is making is that the Bijuu don't have minds, which as we have now seen is clearly false. So I would categorise this as non-applicable.

I disagree.

Bee and Naruto aren't the same. Even though Bee controls Gyuki's power, his chakra cloak is exactly the same as every other Jinchuuriki's chakra cloak mode. Even though he supposedly has full control and cooperation, his cloak is still blood red, burns shit that it touches, and doesn't react to the wood style or give him the ability to sense hostility, just like Naruto's was before he defeated Kurama.

For whatever reason, Naruto's transformation is completely different from the other Jinchuuriki's(because he's the Six Path's reincarnation or some shit). And for whatever reason, now that they are teamed up, that transformation is being extended to Kurama's beast mode.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this as it can't be resolved until there is further comment on this from the series/manga itself.

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Maybe it was a disaster previously because even when you freed Kyuubi from control it would still go on a rampage fuelled by its own hatred, as it did against Konoha when Tobi was defeated by Minato. Now Kurama is an ally so that shouldn't be a factor.

True.

The assumption Deidara is making is that the Bijuu don't have minds, which as we have now seen is clearly false. So I would categorise this as non-applicable.

The reasoning behind it may have been false, but he still obviously believes that the 3-tails was an easier battle than it would have been if it'd had a Jinchuuriki. Which is a conclusion I can only assume he is able to draw because the 3-tails was easier to defeat than Gaara was.

When he says they lack a mind, I think he's mostly talking about them being stupid. Which...they kinda are. Or at the very least, unskilled. They have a huge amount of power, but outside of just generic blasts of power, none of them seem to know how to do any kind of Jutsu.

The kind of versatility that a skilled Jinchuuriki, using the Bijuu's power to shape a variety of Jutsu, provides can likely make them more dangerous to hunt than the beasts in the wild.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this as it can't be resolved until there is further comment on this from the series/manga itself.

Fair enough.