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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula View Post
    This is just so idiotic that I will simply assume you were not thinking at all when you posted it. Seriously, the Uchihas vomit up tons of fire all the time so a fireball would of course not hurt them. Seriously.
    Are you serious?


    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    Actually there has been a sort of cap that has been established over the course of the series that determines what can or cannot be fixed with medical ninjustsu. Tsunade, Shizune and Sakura and Kabuto were all stated to be sufficiently skilled that they are not limited to what a normal medical ninja can do. Tsunade's and now Sakura's seal and their ability to use Katsuyu puts Tsunade and Sakura in a league of their own. That said even they still have limits. For one thing as has been stated before and as was mentioned again in this chapter Katsuyu's healing abilities directly relates to the strength of its summoner. So that Katsuyu would have enough chakra to keep Tsunade alive in the state she was in is just absurd given that in her battle with Pain for example she collapsed and was comatose for I have no idea how long and that was with Katsuyu and Tsunade was not even severely injured at that point much less bisected. Oh I guess I am trying to make Mfauli's point for him since he is doing a bad job of it even though his point is not my own.
    Wasn`t Tsunade healing TONS of people at that point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    There was a clear limit. For example Tsunade could not heal instantly fatal injuries as that would require her to heal death something that is not within her power. Like say if someone ripped out someone's heart or I don't know cut someone in half. There are other things she could not heal too. The damage Naruto inflicted upon himself when he hit Kakuzu with the rasenshuriken for one thing, and strangely Kakashi when he overused MS when fighting Pain. Another thing. Tsunade's healing ability works by regenerating cells, which effectively gives her a temporary form of pseudo-immortality. It does not make her invincible she still takes damage her cells simply regenerate so fast that she can heal from all but the most severe of injuries almost instantly. It has been mentioned that in that state she can even regenerate her damaged or missing organs given enough time but she can damn well still die though.
    So she can heal anything as long as its not dead, like when she lost her lower limbs but was still alive so she managed to heal herself yet you call it unrealistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    This is the difference between Mfauli's stated issue and the issue I have. Tsunade simply has an advanced healing factor, she does not have immortality, not even the level Orochimaru has much less Hidan. Plus it was mentioned that Tsunade's ability is not like what the Kyuubi did for Naruto or what Madara said Hashirama was able to do with his Mokuton. I believe Hashirama's is what Tsunade's technique is based on in the first place. Her regeneration ability is not like Wolverine's, though I really don't want to bring him into this. It doesn't enable her to live forever it in fact puts a tremendous strain on her body to continuously regenerate cells at that rate and drains her life force and shortens her life span which is why she rarely uses it in the first place and why she turns into "an old hag" when she does. It is actually very similar to what happened to Nagato. Tsunade cannot regrow limbs and she can't repair damage done on a cellular level like what Naruto's rasenshuriken does. I think there are a some other limitations that have been mentioned but I can't think of them at the moment. All that aside it is rather unbelievable that Katsuyu has enough chakra to keep two halves of a bisected body alive when she states that she barely has enough chakra to maintain the summoning. Particularly considering the amount of energy Tsunade uses for her technique in the first place. Consider Sakura and how long it took her to save up enough chakra to be able to do the little she has.
    Then I honestly don`t understand what your point is, if Tsunade can regenerate any wound as long as she`s not dead, why can`t she regenerate this? considering that she was... you know, not dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    So yes there are limits, Kishimoto is one of those authors who likes to spend time explaining how things work, chakra, ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, summoning jutsu, shadow clones, medical ninjutsu, ninja village systems, jinchuuriki whatever. The problem with that is his explanations establish limitations that he later retcons or ignores whenever it becomes convenient. The question I have is very simple it is not whether or not Katsuyu should be able to keep a bisected body alive or whether it should be at all possible to keep a bisected body alive or even whether Tsunade in her severely depleted state would have the chakra required to do so while also keeping the other kages alive no less. My question is simple. Shouldn't being cut in half have killed Tsunade instantly and if not if Tsunade's head gets cut off will Katsuyu be able to keep it alive also and simply reattach it?
    It depends WHERE she was cut exactly, if it was only her lower limb she would bleed to death, but i can see katsuyu solving this, above it her guts would spill and she`d die pretty much instantly. As for the whole limit thing, characters in this series often surprass established limits with their techniques, the sharingan does this every 8 chapters, why is it so unreal that Tsunade improved her healing techniques?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    Anyway, my rambling above is unimportant. Here is the problem I really have. Over the last fews weeks you have really been annoying me. Well the insane level of rationalizing that you guys( You, DB Hunter, DS, DBZ, etc) have been doing has been annoying me in general. I do believe I mentioned that you guys remind me of people who have been abused for so long that they actually defend the abuse and the person abusing them. You however, make statements like these.
    I`ve been annoying you? sorry, never meant to. I simply usually post when I disagree with someone, and that can annoy people sometimes, my bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    Unlike the others who try to defend this series or explain some of the problems people have. You continuously state that this series is so stupid, illogical, ridiculous, juvenile and unrealistic that we should just all turn off our brains and accept whatever bs Kishi feeds us. Seriously. We should not complain about things we find ridiculous because at this point we should just accept the ridiculousness and undoubtedly when something ridiculous happens next week we will have to discuss how ridiculous it is again. It is not about this technique being ridiculous but that there are tons of ridiculous techniques and you didn't complain about those, or maybe you did, who knows. Watching Nemo and then discovering that you don't like fish. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    Ok let`s see if I can clear my point a bit. I don`t think this technique in particular is worth discussing, because the series has had ridiculous techniques since chapter 1. So I ask you this, what makes this technique so absurd? Do consider that I already explained that techniques can be improved and this is likely what happened with Tsunade`s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdula
    You may turn your brain off when you read Naruto and I honestly can't be mad at you for that but turn it back on when you post. Additionally the forum is for everyone to discuss what they want to discuss and not necessarily what you want them to discuss. You really can't complain about them complaining, in particular you can't complain about them complaining by pointing out the lack of complaining about something you yourself deem similarly worthy of complaining about. Are you implying that you would not mind us complaining so much if we complained about every single thing we found unsatisfactory or unbelievable. Would you like me to give you a panel by panel analysis of the next chapter? This is too much and this post is already long. Just try to not be so ridiculous please UC.
    A) Insult my intelligence all you want, won`t make your points stronger bro.

    B) Yet you complain about me complaining about you guys complaining, cool.

    C) I`ve no problem with people complaining, what troubles me is that people complain about the same thing and its honestly growing old, this part of the forum has gone to shit, and mostly it`s because of what his name. Last week Shikamaru`s technique was unrealistic, this week Tsunade`s technique was unrealistic, next week potato face`s technique will be unrealistic.

    We seem to be at a crossroad here, we look at the series with different eyes and mindsets, I doubt we`ll get to an agreement so if I`m irking you so much, let`s just agree to disagree then.
    Last edited by UChessmaster; Fri, 06-21-2013 at 08:57 PM.
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