I actually liked how Karin, Sugitsu and Orochimaru interacted with each-other. they're a hoot! makes me wish we actually spend a chapter or two on getting to see them play of eachother (and Sasuke, as their straight man) back when they were Hebi.
Also, Orochimaru suggested that Jiraya, had he been alive, might have turned on them (or just change his ways, not nesscerly betray the village), I think it's supposed to foreshadow Naruto going back on his word and making a stand against "reformed" Sasuke, on the base that killing every Bijuu might be a dick move, sort of like the purging of all the blood-line ninjas (hey, remember Haku? his story might actually be relevant again!)
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I think this chapter was kind of cool. A lot seemed to happen. I'm kind of a little mad that the kages and tsunade are fine again. In the very least tsunade should still be K.Oed, alive and no longer in life threatening conditions but still out of the battle. And I mean out of the battle weeks of recovery.
Plus shes redundant anyhow at this point so it would change nothing. Even oro and Sasuke have there differences but Tsunade and Sakura are basically the same right now.
The thing I found really strange is the very last page! Suddenly Kakashi death! Well I don't know if he is dead or will be dying. When it comes to Naruto where not even sure if it's a clone or genjutsu etc. And even if it is real it's still 1/10th of the injury that Tsunade got and now shes fine.
One possibility I could see happening is that perhaps Obito will take back his eye from Kakashi but kakashi won't die. The good guys keep getting power ups and reinforcements. I don't see anyway in hell that Madara can fight Naruto, Sasuke, The old and new kages and oro. So Obito needs his eye back to be complete and that will be his power up for now. Well this is only something I think could happen. But I still don't see how Madara and Obito even using the Juubi will be able to win in the current situation. Meaning there almost has to be some form of conflict on the "good" side. Likely having to do with Sasuke.
P.S
Does anyone know of any decent or good bleach forums kind of like this one? Or anything close? I used to know one but it went away. I can no longer take it I need to rant about Bleach to blow off some steam. For those of you who don't read Bleach it's about 100 times as bad as Naruto. Almost every chapter is god awful and painful. Now the infamous Naruto chapter a couple weeks back where Sasuke said he would be Hokage. That was worse than the typical Bleach chapter by far! But still on average Bleach makes this series look like a masterpiece! Probably why I am as forgiving as I am to Naruto only because I read Bleach.
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Well, they all were different in the beginning, anyway. Jiraiya had no interest in helping the village, and only changed because of Naruto and Orochimaru.Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
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You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Even for all the over-the-top bullshit that has happened in this manga, .... regenerating Tsunade from being cut in half is just too unbelievable/absurd. What a turd.
So you find that harder to believe than a jutsu that brings dead people back to life in an immortal shell of a body?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
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Might sound silly, but ... yes.
Edo Tensei is just one crazy, evil forbidden jutsu. But over the course of the series, weīve witnessed medical ninjas struggle to save wounded ninjas that suffered from "little" injuries, yet died. Even though she wasnīt a Sannin back then, Tsunade couldnīt even save Dan from some internal bleeding.
And here we are, a cut-in-two body being re-attached. Donīt even get me started on Tsunade being able to stay conscious for so long ...
So.................................she still didn't die. Can't he just kill her off already. Seriously I read this just to see her eventual death and he keeps teasing it but it never happens. Screw this.
Oh and I actually agree with Mfauli though not about whether it is believable or not but simply that being bisected means instant death, Freeza.
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You agreed with MFauli, that makes you wrong by default. You know what else is lethal? vomiting tons of fire.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
"shut up, turd"
real mature comments in my profile, thanks assfuck. lol
And UChessmaster, as I explained: Over the course of the whole series, we were shown the limits of healing jutsus. The most impressive healing happened when CS2 Sasuke pierced a hole in Narutoīs chest ... and that only got healed because KYUUBI. So, despite all the Dragonball-esque shit going on, healing stil had its limits. Now thereīs pretty much nothing that could be labeled "lethal wound" anymore.
You make it sound as if we have a diagram of what healing techniques can and can`t heal and healing has some sort of "cap". Tsunade`s limit were not shown as far as i know and even if they were, why can`t she improve her own techniques this past years?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
This is just so idiotic that I will simply assume you were not thinking at all when you posted it. Seriously, the Uchihas vomit up tons of fire all the time so a fireball would of course not hurt them. Seriously.
Actually there has been a sort of cap that has been established over the course of the series that determines what can or cannot be fixed with medical ninjustsu. Tsunade, Shizune and Sakura and Kabuto were all stated to be sufficiently skilled that they are not limited to what a normal medical ninja can do. Tsunade's and now Sakura's seal and their ability to use Katsuyu puts Tsunade and Sakura in a league of their own. That said even they still have limits. For one thing as has been stated before and as was mentioned again in this chapter Katsuyu's healing abilities directly relates to the strength of its summoner. So that Katsuyu would have enough chakra to keep Tsunade alive in the state she was in is just absurd given that in her battle with Pain for example she collapsed and was comatose for I have no idea how long and that was with Katsuyu and Tsunade was not even severely injured at that point much less bisected. Oh I guess I am trying to make Mfauli's point for him since he is doing a bad job of it even though his point is not my own.
There was a clear limit. For example Tsunade could not heal instantly fatal injuries as that would require her to heal death something that is not within her power. Like say if someone ripped out someone's heart or I don't know cut someone in half. There are other things she could not heal too. The damage Naruto inflicted upon himself when he hit Kakuzu with the rasenshuriken for one thing, and strangely Kakashi when he overused MS when fighting Pain. Another thing. Tsunade's healing ability works by regenerating cells, which effectively gives her a temporary form of pseudo-immortality. It does not make her invincible she still takes damage her cells simply regenerate so fast that she can heal from all but the most severe of injuries almost instantly. It has been mentioned that in that state she can even regenerate her damaged or missing organs given enough time but she can damn well still die though.
This is the difference between Mfauli's stated issue and the issue I have. Tsunade simply has an advanced healing factor, she does not have immortality, not even the level Orochimaru has much less Hidan. Plus it was mentioned that Tsunade's ability is not like what the Kyuubi did for Naruto or what Madara said Hashirama was able to do with his Mokuton. I believe Hashirama's is what Tsunade's technique is based on in the first place. Her regeneration ability is not like Wolverine's, though I really don't want to bring him into this. It doesn't enable her to live forever it in fact puts a tremendous strain on her body to continuously regenerate cells at that rate and drains her life force and shortens her life span which is why she rarely uses it in the first place and why she turns into "an old hag" when she does. It is actually very similar to what happened to Nagato. Tsunade cannot regrow limbs and she can't repair damage done on a cellular level like what Naruto's rasenshuriken does. I think there are a some other limitations that have been mentioned but I can't think of them at the moment. All that aside it is rather unbelievable that Katsuyu has enough chakra to keep two halves of a bisected body alive when she states that she barely has enough chakra to maintain the summoning. Particularly considering the amount of energy Tsunade uses for her technique in the first place. Consider Sakura and how long it took her to save up enough chakra to be able to do the little she has.
So yes there are limits, Kishimoto is one of those authors who likes to spend time explaining how things work, chakra, ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, summoning jutsu, shadow clones, medical ninjutsu, ninja village systems, jinchuuriki whatever. The problem with that is his explanations establish limitations that he later retcons or ignores whenever it becomes convenient. The question I have is very simple it is not whether or not Katsuyu should be able to keep a bisected body alive or whether it should be at all possible to keep a bisected body alive or even whether Tsunade in her severely depleted state would have the chakra required to do so while also keeping the other kages alive no less. My question is simple. Shouldn't being cut in half have killed Tsunade instantly and if not if Tsunade's head gets cut off will Katsuyu be able to keep it alive also and simply reattach it?
Anyway, my rambling above is unimportant. Here is the problem I really have. Over the last fews weeks you have really been annoying me. Well the insane level of rationalizing that you guys( You, DB Hunter, DS, DBZ, etc) have been doing has been annoying me in general. I do believe I mentioned that you guys remind me of people who have been abused for so long that they actually defend the abuse and the person abusing them. You however, make statements like these.
Unlike the others who try to defend this series or explain some of the problems people have. You continuously state that this series is so stupid, illogical, ridiculous, juvenile and unrealistic that we should just all turn off our brains and accept whatever bs Kishi feeds us. Seriously. We should not complain about things we find ridiculous because at this point we should just accept the ridiculousness and undoubtedly when something ridiculous happens next week we will have to discuss how ridiculous it is again. It is not about this technique being ridiculous but that there are tons of ridiculous techniques and you didn't complain about those, or maybe you did, who knows. Watching Nemo and then discovering that you don't like fish. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You may turn your brain off when you read Naruto and I honestly can't be mad at you for that but turn it back on when you post. Additionally the forum is for everyone to discuss what they want to discuss and not necessarily what you want them to discuss. You really can't complain about them complaining, in particular you can't complain about them complaining by pointing out the lack of complaining about something you yourself deem similarly worthy of complaining about. Are you implying that you would not mind us complaining so much if we complained about every single thing we found unsatisfactory or unbelievable. Would you like me to give you a panel by panel analysis of the next chapter? This is too much and this post is already long. Just try to not be so ridiculous please UC.
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Are you serious?
Wasn`t Tsunade healing TONS of people at that point?
So she can heal anything as long as its not dead, like when she lost her lower limbs but was still alive so she managed to heal herself yet you call it unrealistic.
Then I honestly don`t understand what your point is, if Tsunade can regenerate any wound as long as she`s not dead, why can`t she regenerate this? considering that she was... you know, not dead.
It depends WHERE she was cut exactly, if it was only her lower limb she would bleed to death, but i can see katsuyu solving this, above it her guts would spill and she`d die pretty much instantly. As for the whole limit thing, characters in this series often surprass established limits with their techniques, the sharingan does this every 8 chapters, why is it so unreal that Tsunade improved her healing techniques?
I`ve been annoying you? sorry, never meant to. I simply usually post when I disagree with someone, and that can annoy people sometimes, my bad.
Ok let`s see if I can clear my point a bit. I don`t think this technique in particular is worth discussing, because the series has had ridiculous techniques since chapter 1. So I ask you this, what makes this technique so absurd? Do consider that I already explained that techniques can be improved and this is likely what happened with Tsunade`s.
A) Insult my intelligence all you want, won`t make your points stronger bro.
B) Yet you complain about me complaining about you guys complaining, cool.
C) I`ve no problem with people complaining, what troubles me is that people complain about the same thing and its honestly growing old, this part of the forum has gone to shit, and mostly it`s because of what his name. Last week Shikamaru`s technique was unrealistic, this week Tsunade`s technique was unrealistic, next week potato face`s technique will be unrealistic.
We seem to be at a crossroad here, we look at the series with different eyes and mindsets, I doubt we`ll get to an agreement so if I`m irking you so much, let`s just agree to disagree then.
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You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
This is curious. I wonder if my phrasing is so difficult to understand.
I thought you said it was a joke. I didn't read it as such my bad. Is it a joke or not? If you don't know then it is certainly not my fault for not understanding it.
Yes Tsunade was healing tons of people at that point. That is my point. She was healing everyone in the village throughout Pain's attack on Konoha and later protected them all from Pain's enormous shinra tensei and that was without becoming aged. That happens when she runs out of chakra. When she did eventually run out of chakra and took on that aged appearance she collapsed and slipped into a coma, which is what allowed Danzo to become Hokage in the first place, and this was with Katsuyu. It is the same thing Kakashi goes on about when referring to his low chakra and overusing MS.Wasn`t Tsunade healing TONS of people at that point?
I'll just put these two together since they are the same point. She cannot in fact heal anything but I am not even going into that because my primary point is this. Her healing requires a ton of chakra, it took Sakura years just to save up enough chakra to use the technique. Katsuyu plainly stated that her healing power depends on Tsunade's power and Tsunade barely has enough power to maintain the summoning in the state she is in. If she becomes old when she runs out of power how can she in that state have enough power to do what would be the most power intensive healing she has done so far. I don't know specifically how much power is needed to sustain life in two halves of a bisected body but I think it would be a lot. Certainly a lot more than was needed when Madara impaled her a while ago.So she can heal anything as long as its not dead, like when she lost her lower limbs but was still alive so she managed to heal herself yet you call it unrealistic.
Then I honestly don`t understand what your point is, if Tsunade can regenerate any wound as long as she`s not dead, why can`t she regenerate this? considering that she was... you know, not dead.
It appears that in stereotypical fashion she was pretty neatly cut it half at some point just above the waist. That would as you say be instantly fatal. I do not care about the sharingan or whether Tsunade has improved her healing techniques, mid battle no less. My points as I stated is that the injury should have killed her instantly and even if she could heal such an injury she did not have the power to do so.It depends WHERE she was cut exactly, if it was only her lower limb she would bleed to death, but i can see katsuyu solving this, above it her guts would spill and she`d die pretty much instantly. As for the whole limit thing, characters in this series often surprass established limits with their techniques, the sharingan does this every 8 chapters, why is it so unreal that Tsunade improved her healing techniques?
Dude don't be childish. Differing opinions don't annoy me nor does you disagreeing with my opinion. It is that you keep implying whether directly or indirectly that people should stop posting about or reading Naruto if they are just going to complain. What else does telling Mfauli feel free to get a new hobby imply?I`ve been annoying you? sorry, never meant to. I simply usually post when I disagree with someone, and that can annoy people sometimes, my bad.
I don't actually care about this technique either. What I find absurd is that Tsunade still is not dead. As I have stated many times I want her to die and I am tired of her death being teased. Yes I acknowledge that techniques can be improved but in this same battle against Madara we saw her get beat to shit and recover though it visibly cost her. Get impaled by Madara which she again recovered from but at a price, she got stabbed by Madara's clones and despite pulling out the sword and healing the external wounds she was still coughing up blood. Not to mention that she used so much chakra healing herself and the kages that she ran out of energy and was unable to use her regeneration technique and needed to be saved by Dan who then restored her chakra.Ok let`s see if I can clear my point a bit. I don`t think this technique in particular is worth discussing, because the series has had ridiculous techniques since chapter 1. So I ask you this, what makes this technique so absurd? Do consider that I already explained that techniques can be improved and this is likely what happened with Tsunade`s.
So it is incredibly hard to believe that after all of this that she and the other kages endured an off screen beating by Madara that was far worse than what he dished out the first time. So bad in fact that it left her severely injured, her body bisected and the other kages in such bad shape Katsuyu had to absorb them in order to preserve their lives. It is just hard to believe that she would have the energy to heal that given the state she is in. It is also hard to believe that simply being reduced to that state would not in itself have killed her even discounting her injuries. Given that when she used too much of her chakra in the battle against Pain and was reduced to that state, she nearly died and was in a coma for an unknown length of time. Speaking of, do you have any idea how long she has simply being lying around like that because Madara left the Kages quite some time ago?
I am not attempting to insult your intelligence. It was a joke. You said I should turn my brain off when I read this so I was just telling you if you turn your brain off when reading this series you should turn it back on before you post. I thought what I meant was pretty clear. If I wanted to insult you I could have implied that you did not have a brain at all.A) Insult my intelligence all you want, won`t make your points stronger bro.
B) Yet you complain about me complaining about you guys complaining, cool.
C) I`ve no problem with people complaining, what troubles me is that people complain about the same thing and its honestly growing old, this part of the forum has gone to shit, and mostly it`s because of what his name. Last week Shikamaru`s technique was unrealistic, this week Tsunade`s technique was unrealistic, next week potato face`s technique will be unrealistic.
We seem to be at a crossroad here, we look at the series with different eyes and mindsets, I doubt we`ll get to an agreement so if I`m irking you so much, let`s just agree to disagree then.
I am not complaining about you complaining about people complaining. Damn that is redundant. I was merely stating that people have a right to complain particularly when they find something absurd. I was also pointing out how ridiculous you complaining about other people complaining was and questioning the logic behind mentioning a prior lack of complaining for something you deem equally ridiculous. Additionally I was pointing out that complaining about people complaining is typically interpreted as an open invitation for more complaining and your post seemed to be requesting more complaints. That is why I asked if you would like a panel by panel analysis of the next chapter.
The state of the Naruto forum, the amount of complaining and the repetitiveness of the complaints is a reflection of the quality of the series and it is not MFauli's fault. Lol. You can reread the old threads during some of the high points of this series and you will see the difference. Just as you are growing tired of people complaining about the same BS, I for one am extremely tired of reading the same BS. Yes, no one is forcing us to read or complain about Naruto but no one is forcing you to read or respond to our complaints either and the forum is meant for such things.
Besides there is always the off chance that someone will actually do a good job of presenting a plausible explanation for some complaints instead of "priceless one liners." Really Assertn what was the point of that? Edo tensei is not at all related to Tsunade's healing and identifying one ridiculous technique does not make another technique any less ridiculous. Also people coming back from the dead is strangely less unbelievable that someone being cut in half and not dying. One is completely outside the realm of possibility and so my mind does not try to rationalize it all. It is similar to watching a scene in a movie that attempts to be scary or gross but is so over the top that it ends up being funny. The other is something that can and has happened to real people so my mind immediately tries to understand it. Me not questioning Shino walking up to a juubi clone and summoning bugs into it but being floored by Ino-Shika-Cho making a yoyo is another very similar situation.
I don't think we are at an impasse UC. I think this is simply a misunderstanding but we can simply agree to disagree if you wish.
Ah well at least you seem to understand what I meant but there is nothing wrong with caring. This would be completely pointless if there was not some emotional investment but it is not anything to get worked up over. I don't think we have many fanatics here.
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Yeah I get what you are saying. I'm not trying to shoot jabs at any of you guys, I just think these discussions are bound to happen when the story fumbles over itself to essentially crowd please. We all know that there are almost unwritten power levels in the series placed there to make certain match ups plausible. Hell the fact that orochimaru is present for this battle and up to speed on all the goings thanks to (what is essentially spectator mode) the cursed seal is really silly. Honestly I feel we all had a certain level of respect for the story prior to what is just poor character, plot and tone progression.
In regards to the "arguing", its hard to discern some things through text. It's really just toneless conversation. We interpret it as WE read it. I would like to be the first to say I don't mean any personal attacks. I just wanna talk about manga in my down time from work :-/
There is no limit now. Thatīs the only thing weīve been shown in this chapter. And thatīs ridiculous. Tsunade could probably heal Naruto if his head was split in two.
There wasn`t a clear limit before either.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
That's a fairly stupid notion, Tsunade is a mad exception when it comes to healing because she has that seal and katsuyu, nobody else comes even close to her expertise on it, and even then she can't heal dead people, yet as said before you accept edo tensei with it's ridiculous laws of physics breaking proporties as being less ridiculous; why can't you just accept it being her forte?
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