In my industry, we call it modernization. Pop old the old parts, put in the new parts, return to service.Originally Posted by poopdeville
I'll never understand why we waste so many good airplanes. B-52s are still upgraded, the last was built in 1962!
What I mean is, it was even mention in the movie that the Kaijuu, are essentially the same. Something is different with them. Each new mark of the Kaijuu seemed stronger and faster and maybe more intelligent than the previous mark. They tore through the older and new models like a hot knife through butter. Even the Gipsy had trouble towards the end.
With all the mechs destroyed now. I don't see how they can't return to the drawing board. With the Kaijuu changing to some degree, the mechs should as well is my thoughts.
The kaiju evolved (flies in the face of evolution but who knows with aliens, maybe they evolve faster), learned new tactics, or they are created by their scientists and equipped with the latest tech same as we do with our mechs. The Earth forces will definitely need to improve their mechs in order to survive another attack from the ever-improving kaiju.
But considering how long it takes to build the mechs, the next movie will need to be 15-20 years (rough rough estimate) in the future. Otherwise the Atlantic force will already have to exist, which then requires us to ask why they didn't help the Pacific forces avert the end of the world in the first movie. So will it be an entirely new cast, or will Raleigh and Mako be aged? Or will the events in the 2nd movie run concurrently with the events of PR?
edit: ok maybe not. According to this timeline it took about 5 months to design and build the first jaeger (3 month actual build time).
Last edited by Animeniax; Wed, 10-23-2013 at 08:19 AM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Not all of them were destroyed, crimson is only missing a cockpit and cherno has about the same amount of damage gipsy had after knifehead.
Also you seem to forget that Gipsy was a mk3, upgraded to about ~mk4.5, Striker however was a mark5 and it was beasting on everything, heck it killed mutavore in 20 seconds flat whom prior to that destroyed two mk3's at the same time before bursting through the sydney wall.
Even the strongest kaiju was beasted on by Striker and it only appeared 5 years after the jaeger program was shut down, if they kept it going they could've definitely had even stronger jaegers.
Let hope they re-activate the program in the sequel.
I think they should build new walls instead. Just add spikes or laser turrets to the walls.
Considering how damaging the acid attack on Cherno was, why wouldn't all the kaiju have that adaptation?
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I think the acid-spitting says something about the aliens. They're these Lovecraftian cosmic horrors that just don't care about us one way or the other. They can afford to take their millions of years to exterminate us with their kaiju program. Think of it as a literal program:
while (weaker) { getStronger };
win();
Yeah, from our perspective of scarce resources, that strategy/algorithm is wasteful. But apparently they have the resources to "guarantee" a win in that way.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
That's why we need to attack them at their homeworld. Earth as a battleground has suffered too much collateral damage.
The problem is we don't know how many kaiju have been created or what kind of defenses they have on the alien world. Considering how slowly they attacked us, one or two at a time, three at most, the kaiju must take about as long to create as it takes humans to build a jaeger. Of course, we also have to find and train the pilots, a requirement which the kaiju apparently aren't saddled with.
Also we need to focus more on projectile and ranged weapons instead of hand-to-hand combat with the jaegers. If all the aliens can spit acid or neutralize a jaegar by grabbing its weapons (like with Crimson Typhoon), then close-quarters combat is a bad idea for us.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
We really don't know how many "resources" they have though.
The acid spit, like anything else about them, is an adaptation.
Cherno had the highest armour rating, so otachi and leatherback both had adaptations to get through it: strong acid for otachi and strength for leatherback.
But Cherno was also the slowest and the acid spit failed on gipsy because it was fast enough to dodge it, which is why leatherback also had the EMP since the supremely fast Striker would have no problems dodging the spit either.
Now if resources weren't an issue, they'd just create one giant mega kaiju that had a max rating in everything, could fly, hard bone outer shell like mutavore/knifehead, had an EMP, had acid spit etc..
We know they have the resources to do exactly what you suggested. And they also have the desire to not do it. So there you go.
Remember that they had to stop the kaijus before the aliens had a critical mass moment and sent multiple level 5's, level 6's, level 7's at a time, every four minutes, three minutes, two minutes, etc., apart. If that was the plan all along, most of the kaiju would have hugely more powerful than the first of them. After all, most numbers are very large. The point is, there is no max rating. Just stronger than before.
The aliens are Lovecraftian horrors. They don't think the way "we" do.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
No what we knew, and actually saw is that they had a giant factory making heaps of kaiju at the same time, we don't however know how long they could've kept that up before exhausting whatever resources they were using.
Plus as the good doctor said after his drift, they move from one world to the next, consuming it [for resources]; they left the first time because the atmosphere wasn't right yet.
Also calling them lovecraftian horrors is a giant stretch.
I just saw the movie and it didn't felt that great. Note that I have effectively not read any supplementary material.
- The reason for choosing mecha seemed to be effectiveness (the details I am not aware of). They simply went "oh, the first Kaiju took 6 days to take down and it trashed 3 cities in the meanwhile. 6 months later more turned up. We need something better." There's the whole Kaiju Blue toxin, but mecha fighting bled them out anyway. The whole idea with the mecha were to beat the shit out of the Kaiju as quickly as possible without breaking too many cities. That's why they're supposed to be more effective as a weapon.
- Adaptations: Where was this talked about? I've only seen them get stronger based on categories. Biological adaptation also doesn't work this way since it requires reproduction. If the Kaiju's abilities really are adapting or learning, that would mean that the monsters have some sort of neural link back home where they can watch these fights and design their babies to have various qualities.
- Kaiju looking for the Dr because he did a neural link with them - true/false? Nobody knows.
-The baby kaiju was supposed to be just born. How does it have knowledge of what shit looks like down there etc?
This was mostly an eyecandy film for me.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I don't think the kaiju abilities are adaptations as much as upgrades. Like you said, evolution/ bio adaptation doesn't work that way or that specifically. I think the kaiju's masters add new abilities specifically to combat the jaegers' strengths, like use acid on cherno or EMP to disable the jaegers. They also teach them tactics, or program them.
I think they chose jaegers for mobility and firepower. To combat huge, mobile enemies, you have to have something as big and as mobile.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Uhh... in the movie it states that when they dive, it's a 2 way street. So I imagine the alien masters have a way to stay in contact with the Kaijuu once on earth. PLus the scientist did a dive with the baby Kaijuu near the end and gained a lot of it's memories. They did say it's a collective consciousness. So what one knows, the others know. They didn't explain it in great detail, so I assume they left it up to the viewer to decide on how that works.
Did you watch a different film or something?
Blunt force didn't bleed them out, if you punch someone they don't just explode all of their blood everywhere. It was also clearly shown Hannibal's crew pumping gas into otachi's corpse as a means to neutralise the effects of kaiju blue.
It was mentioned that they adapt before they realised they were actually being built, because they are organic in nature.
And yes...they have a neural link back home, they are a hive mind.
Otachi was looking for the dr. because he drifted with them, probably for experimentation/secrets, the baby was pretty much specifically made for him, which is why hannibal didn't die when it got swallowed by it; it was a kidnapping vessel.
And again they are all connected, even the baby.
The latter part seems like a bit of a stretch...
Otachi was hunting for him to examine and then kill him. The baby felt more like a failsafe or a trap if humanity managed to kill it with a jaeger and attempted to drift again with a fresh brain. Which is exactly what happened when they started to harvest it.
Hannibal survived because he's a gag character...and Ron Perlman is one of del Toro's favorite actors.
Otachi definitely wasn't hunting him to kill him, the fact you need Kaiju dna to enter the breach, and the baby didn't have harmful kaiju blue makes it extremely clear that it was going to be used as a (safe) transport back through the breach; they most certainly had plans for him after the drift, heck the baby had the exact same drive to go after the dr., so much it strangled itself.
Watched it again and the beginning said first Kaiju attack was in 2013. Then increased slowly over the years. The year was 2020 when they cut the funding for the jaeger program for 8 months left available. So by the time the lead rejoins, it could have been the next year in 2021 or even further. Sounds like Hannibal Chau has been funding the Jaeger program for quite a while giving him exclusive rights to the Kaiju when they're dead. So I am thinking the lead rejoins in 2022-2025.
Mako is a lil girl when Pentecost saves her if the 2013 being the first attack, I don't think she'd be old enough to pilot a Jaeger in 2021, 8 years... unless she's like 15 years old lol. So anybody guess what year it really is at the end. I am leaning more towards 2025-2030.
I hope the sequel covers a lot of my questions and hopes/dreams for any sequel being full of action.
Since you're bringing up dates/times, I thought it was funny that the video footage covering the first neural link experiment was in black and white, as if it was some 1960s experiment.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
According to this timeline Mako was born in 2003 and joined the Jaeger program in 2021, so she was about 18 at the time. The timeline says Mako was a survivor of the Tokyo attack in 2016, so it wasn't the first kaiju attack. She definitely looked younger than 13 years old when Pentecost saved her if it was 2016 (probably Hollywood decision to make her younger and cuter). Disclaimer is that the wiki timeline is from the official novelization of the movie, not canon material.Watched it again and the beginning said first Kaiju attack was in 2013. Then increased slowly over the years. The year was 2020 when they cut the funding for the jaeger program for 8 months left available. So by the time the lead rejoins, it could have been the next year in 2021 or even further. Sounds like Hannibal Chau has been funding the Jaeger program for quite a while giving him exclusive rights to the Kaiju when they're dead. So I am thinking the lead rejoins in 2022-2025.
Mako is a lil girl when Pentecost saves her if the 2013 being the first attack, I don't think she'd be old enough to pilot a Jaeger in 2021, 8 years... unless she's like 15 years old lol. So anybody guess what year it really is at the end. I am leaning more towards 2025-2030.
I hope the sequel covers a lot of my questions and hopes/dreams for any sequel being full of action.
Someone mentioned the title for the second movie is "Atlantic Rim" but I can't find any supporting news for that.
Last edited by Animeniax; Sat, 10-26-2013 at 12:33 PM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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