Suisei no Gargantia

[Kraco]

I got the impression that Kugel was lying, but that's just me.

Lying about what? His medical condition? I don't really see the point. Nobody sane would spend his days in the cockpit if they had a choice. And why would he specifically avoid Ledo of all people? He made quite an effort to appear friendly, not dictatorial. He asked, didn't order. He was absolutely interested in winning Ledo over voluntarily, not trying to boss him around and treat like a mere grunt under his authority. It'd be a bit strange he wouldn't have wanted to meet Ledo in person - unless he's got a Hideauze parasite attached to his skull or something, and the medical records were thus forged.

About everything else... Yeah. He's clearly not interested in the wellbeing of people at all, but then again, he was only saying this is efficient. He wants to replicate the Alliance's ruthless society, but I don't think some random officer really has what it takes to do that. Thus he instead ended up with an inefficient society full of cultists probably doing nothing beneficial at all.

[Buffalobiian]

The entire "efficiency" really does reflect on our society. Local, indigenous tribes were just eating/working/playing without "improving" themselves before civilisation came along, deemed them inefficient/pointless and gave them a new structure to follow. The result is such that the the overall/average well-being of society rose - but the distribution of wealth is such that the top minority take most of it.

Should you always strive for self-improvement? Must there always be a purpose to society/life? If so, I personally think the purpose of life is to enjoy it.

[KrayZ33]

but the distribution of wealth is such that the top minority take most of it.

how is that different to what it was 1 million years ago though? or whenever it was when humankind first decided to hunt in groups.
all I have to do is to take a look at a pack of lions and see that its pretty much the same.

if kugel is not lying, the most usefull will get the best/most (whatever) food, thats at least fair if you ask me.
at least its not the "lazy lion patriarch"

and on a side note, without civilisation it would be impossible for most people to "enjoy life", the improvements allow us to both support the ill and weak and to have "free time".

[Kraco]

if kugel is not lying, the most usefull will get the best/most (whatever) food, thats at least fair if you ask me.
at least its not the "lazy lion patriarch"

I have no doubt the robed cultists are among the ones deemed most useful - by themselves, of course. And what exactly do they do to benefit the society? Kugel is sitting in his mecha's cockpit 24/7, so what does he know? He's just some mid-tier officer anyway, so even a bit craftier people with experience of human societies would be able to fool him to quite a high degree. One glance at that foolery could tell especially on the long run it would be far below Gargantia (or Alliance) in efficiency. It's nothing but a mockery of ideas beyond their reach and comprehension.

The most significant problem is that inept people mainly interested in securing their own positions would be judging whether somebody else's efforts are beneficial or not. There's nothing quite like that to kill innovation and creativity.

[KrayZ33]

I have no doubt the robed cultists are among the ones deemed most useful - by themselves, of course. And what exactly do they do to benefit the society

I have no doubt that its not just "standing around with an awkward look on ther faces"

[Inazuma]

Aparté : Watch petit Gargantia Ep6. It will trigger a facial expression if you're not dead.

[Buffalobiian]

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[Inazuma]

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[David75]

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Seems like I was right about Kugel.
That idea is not new and the reason given felt very convenient.

Striker being better than Chambers was logical. I was expecting Ledo to try and bring Striker under water, because he already has some experience of underwater battles, so he could overcome some of his inferiority there.
But Pinion helping him nice too.

And an underwater fight might still happen in the next episode.

Now we have Ledo+Chambers against Striker+deadweight-Kugel.

Striker is technically better than Chambers. But since those bots are always teamed with humans, it probably means the pilot increases the overall efficiency, because life support and cockpit takes a lot of resources... So you wouldn't choose that solution without clear advantage.

Will it balance out in the end?

Also, Gargantia has some kind of ultimate weapon?

Next week episode might be epic, some kind of "Grand Final"

I hope OVAs will be good, because I can't see a second season with what we've had till now. Unless they plan on having the Alliance or Space Hideauze come to earth...

[Ryllharu]

I suspect that while Gargantia is mostly a peaceful fleet, the golden key unlocks its warship capabilities. The larger fleets seem be centered around the large vessels that don't seem to make a lot of sense in terms of shape and size. Most of the other vessels in the fleet are regular ships, salvage vessels, or barges. All of them strapped together, connected to a few huge central vessels. But the main "core" vessels are enormous with what looks like a lot of material added on after the fact.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gargantia's core ship was one of the last seafaring vessels of the great war, or even a spacecraft that was never launched.

I wonder what the difference is that makes Chamber always defer to the judgment of the pilot, while Striker clearly decided on her(?) own action to rebuild the Alliance after Kugel died (presumably in hypersleep).

But Rackage's change of heart from her earlier appearance is definitely something I like. I'd still like to see her join Gargantia, but that would be kind of out of character for her. It would probably be tough for some of Gargantia's citizens to forgive her for any deaths she might have caused.

[Kraco]

I remember that very high tube sticking up from Gargantia. It seemed to be of higher tech material than the generally rusty exterior of the ship, which was probably added later, like you said, Ryll. I'd almost bet a part of shinta's loli collection on that tube having something to do with what they are planning. Although on the other hand Amy asked to assist is intriguing. Is it some fighter aircraft they have that needs a good pilot? What else could Amy contribute? Unless the crafty doctor simply thought that having Amy involved would boost Ledo's morale...

I'm not altogether pleased Kugel was a cadaver, but if nothing else, at least that might allow his redemption in Ledo's eyes.

[David75]

Striker is a more advanced combat suit. I would not go to prototype level, but why not... after all it was a last chance all out attack by the alliance when Ledo and Kugel didn't secure their grip during the subspace leap and ended on earth. So I guess even a prototype could be used in such a circumstance. And Striker could be one of those suits with a very advanced AI that can make choices...

I do not think however Striker chose to let Kugel die in his sleep or from the disease, that twist also has been overused, but that would fit that botGod which doesn't value human life that much.
The choice might have been:
Humans never have been able to win the war. I'm the first generation of bot able to make choices and I'm better than humans at everything. Why should I support one, when I can do better alone. Solution/choice: get rid of humans to have the job done... (Kill all Hideauze)

But of course, maybe life support was limited in time, after all Ledo had been waiting for 6 months when he woke up and we do not know how long he lived on Gargantia, but something like a year would be plausible.

Maybe a time limit would be 1 year and Kugel wasn't able to survive after that, unable to find food/water?
Then Striker finds that fleet with a cultists tyranny, so it just has to come at the top...

[NeoCybercoin]

I for one did not see that one coming. The whole dead Kugel and all. But Striker acting on her own? Does this mean that Striker is a AI programmed for the cause of the Galactic?

[Ryllharu]

But of course, maybe life support was limited in time, after all Ledo had been waiting for 6 months when he woke up and we do not know how long he lived on Gargantia, but something like a year would be plausible.

Maybe a time limit would be 1 year and Kugel wasn't able to survive after that, unable to find food/water?
Then Striker finds that fleet with a cultists tyranny, so it just has to come at the top...

I might have thought that Kugel flew into the maelstrom long before Ledo got thrown off into it, but I guess the Warp works in mysterious ways. Ledo got thrown and landed on Earth maybe a year ago. Kugel/Striker must have flown into it after, but ended up on Earth long before, and on the opposite site of the planet. One doesn't end up that dessicated after only a year of difference, nor does one set up a cult with that level of formality in so short a time.

[Kraco]

I for one did not see that one coming. The whole dead Kugel and all. But Striker acting on her own? Does this mean that Striker is a AI programmed for the cause of the Galactic?

I'd rather agree with David's assessment that Striker has a more developed AI that is capable of independent action. However, the creativity is still limited, so it probably tried to recreate Alliance on Earth. However, with Terminator's skills of psychology, a machine can't really understand humans well enough to pull that off. The dystopia it was busy building wouldn't amount to much in the long run.

[David75]

Aye,
Forgot that he might have time traveled. Good one.
Here I was just thinking that this cult was established long before Kugel/Striker arrived and they only needed to put themselves at the top. But them arriving back in time works better with Kugel's body state, the old Striker representation we've seen somewhere on the ship before, Striker being scratched here and there, the number of weapons it has and most of all its second power source...

I thought I've seen those cultists before, like in the rushes Ledo has seen. Could it be Kugel/striker arrived centuries ago?
I do not think we have a time paradox here, where Striker/Kugel would be responsible for the Hideauze becoming threats to humanity and going into space... Except that in the loop we're experiencing, Ledo instead of Kugel came to Earth.

[Ryllharu]

To me, it's more like warp travel requires precise entry angles onboard of appropriate craft, entering through a controlled gate aperture. Anything less that that results in disaster, a completely random exit.

It's less of a miracle that Kugel/Striker ended up back in time, more that the both of them ended up on the same planet at all.

[Inazuma]

Well
I have a theory.

SNG is centered on those enemies who gave up on their humanity to evolve and fuck shit up. What if the Galactic Alliance answered in kind building fully self conscious robot as a heritage. Now this would mean there is a war involving two inhumane parties and that humans are basically a ressource.

What about that ?
Also, isn't the guy behind Psycho Pass also behind SNG ?

Time to Senmetsu now ...

[lelouch]

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Striker being better than Chambers was logical.

Now we have Ledo+Chambers against Striker+deadweight-Kugel.

Striker is technically better than Chambers.

Why do you call him "Chambers"? It's Chamber.

[Buffalobiian]

But Pinion helping him nice too.

I liked how that happened nearly right after Striker talked about people supporting each other.

Regarding theories about Striker.. how about Kugel really did die of some random disease? I don't think Striker let him die. It might not even be that advanced of an AI compared to Chamber. All that had to happen was for its pilot to die and to have its command chain cut off from the Alliance. With no pilot to guide its decision making, it simply served to preserve the principles of the Alliance and serve mankind in the only way it knew how - to improve the average well-being and efficiency. As for lying about it all by projecting a hologram of Kugel to Ledo, I suppose it did that after its AI evolved and deemed such an action to be convenient for its own causes.

And as for Amy + Stairway to Heaven, it certainly sounds like something that can fly. The opening segments suggest such anyway. It'll put them out of range of the cannons and Yunboros if they're high enough.