Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE series

[shinta|hikari]

I think Fate's attacks wasted Nanoha more than enough though. Her final divine buster probably used up her remaining magic. That's why Starlight Breaker is so unfair. You can go all out on the setup, and it only actually enhances the moves effectiveness.

[Kraco]

Like Raising Heart said, they beat Fate with superior tactics. Nanoha, Raising Heart and Yuuno knew Nanoha's strengths, and developed them fiercely. Fate didn't fight the way she beat Nanoha earlier. She should have closed in and pressed her hard. She fought poorly, and Nanoha capitalized on it.

Like Vivio's case in Strikers taught us, among other cases, Fate just isn't cruel and ruthless enough to defeat people with 100% efficiency. Nanoha, however, won't think twice. It's actually a bit funny Fate, who was the initial villain of a sort during this period, was far less violent and evil than the hero. Fate did what she did after having been driven into a corner but Nanoha by any reckoning did it simply because she wanted, could, and deemed it the best solution.

A White Devil indeed.

[Ryllharu]

Starlight Breaker is totally fair. It's a huge spell requiring a very long casting time. Nanoha can get interrupted during the gathering phase at any time and it would all get dispersed again.

It comes down to tactics again. If Nanoha hadn't caught Fate in a bind, Fate could have stopped her.

It's of a class of magic that is done from the backfield. That's why Hayate has her four knights. She casts SS+ class magic, and her knights keep her foes at a distance (Vita, Signum) or bound (Shamal). All of Hayate's spells are that kind.

Like all true finishers, Starlight Breaker is extremely risky. It puts Nanoha at huge risk because she lacks that kind of support that Hayate has.

[Buffalobiian]

Radiation. Some sort of magical radiation no doubt considering the location. Apparently harmful to mainly humans, maybe only humans with magical capabilities. Precia herself was a powerful mage and there might have been additional shieldings in place as well, explaining her survival. Or she just teleported out in time.

I don't really consider that an issue at all. I have handled enough radioactive material myself to accept such plot elements...

Hmmm.. alright. I can live with that explanation.

Like Raising Heart said, they beat Fate with superior tactics.

I was under the impression that Nanoha said they were evenly matched in wisdom, tactics, magical output etc, and it came down to your desire to win be their friend.

I think Fate's attacks wasted Nanoha more than enough though. Her final divine buster probably used up her remaining magic. That's why Starlight Breaker is so unfair. You can go all out on the setup, and it only actually enhances the moves effectiveness.

I was talking more about battle-damage and crippling. I keep forgetting that magical attacks leave you physically unharmed. (Good thing too - Fate got to grow up all hot and scareless. )

I guess the barrier jackets getting blasted apart threw me off.

Starlight Breaker is totally fair. It's a huge spell requiring a very long casting time. Nanoha can get interrupted during the gathering phase at any time and it would all get dispersed again.

It comes down to tactics again. If Nanoha hadn't caught Fate in a bind, Fate could have stopped her.

I guess it's not fair in that only Nanoha can use it (until Teana came along anyway - but even that was a bit different).

Talking about Starlight Breakers just reminded me of one thing - this one didn't have the "Break.. SHOOOT! part in the middle. I can't remember if Nanoha had that in her original SB or if it was a later addition.

The other thing too about SB being "unfair" (at least in the particular fight in this movie) was that Nanoha had both arms bound and took that attack head on, while Fate shielded herself against both attacks and still lost...

Or why Fate's bind dissipated after the first attack while Nanoha's tied her in for both, if we consider the first two attacks even.


/me in Fate Imbalance Complaint Mode

[Ryllharu]

I guess it's not fair in that only Nanoha can use it (until Teana came along anyway - but even that was a bit different).

Hayate knows the ins an outs of a Starlight Breaker (though she focuses on Ancient Belkan magics). Any linker core the book absorbed, which includes Nanoha's, gives Reinforce the knowledge to use those caster's spells. The original Reinforce used SB against Nanoha.
(I don't remember if it was a Mid-Childan circle or a Belkan triangle appearing when she cast it though.)

The other thing too about SB being "unfair" (at least in the particular fight in this movie) was that Nanoha had both arms bound and took that attack head on, while Fate shielded herself against both attacks and still lost...

Or why Fate's bind dissipated after the first attack while Nanoha's tied her in for both, if we consider the first two attacks even.

/me in Fate Imbalance Complaint Mode

Nanoha has a protection shield up in the movie if you look carefully.

Starlight Breaker is not unfair. Nanoha is just a hell of a lot stronger than Fate when it come to bombardment type magic. You need to accept this. Nanoha burned through Fate's Protection magic and barrier jacket with a sustained Divine Buster because she's just that much better. The SB was used to "knock down" Fate.

Fate is bad at that type of magic. She just won't ever win in ranged combat. Nanoha far exceeds even the most talented TSAB aerial mages at bombardment from her young age. Chrono doesn't hold a candle to her. Fate has to charge and prepare her Photon Lancer Phalanx Shift (s1, supplemented in the movie with Spark End). After all the flash and dust, it still doesn't compare to a Divine Buster, which is a near-instant attack. Lastly, don't forget that this is Nanoha at her weakest.

[Buffalobiian]

Nanoha has a protection shield up in the movie if you look carefully.

She does too. What the hell? /me adds to list

Starlight Breaker is not unfair. Nanoha is just a hell of a lot stronger than Fate when it come to bombardment type magic. You need to accept this.

I do. (not like I have a choice. :P). It's ... argh.

Lastly, don't forget that this is Nanoha at her weakest.

You mean as in lacking magical power towards the end of the fight? If so, that applies to both of them - both Nanoha's Divine Buster and Fate's shield were using their last drops by the end.



edit:

After that even Chrono seemed to kick Fate's ass.

He was supposed to. Chrono was stronger than either of Fate or Nanoha. Amy's analysis (from the series) showed that they both had more capacity than him though.

Now that I remember it, they specifically said that they needed to address the gaps in Fate's training (her defences in particular were really bad I think). Makes me feel better now.

[Ryllharu]

You mean as in lacking magical power towards the end of the fight? If so, that applies to both of them - both Nanoha's Divine Buster and Fate's shield were using their last drops by the end.

No, I mean Nanoha only gets stronger and stronger from here, until she becomes the true White Devil. Fate gets better at close range magic with her Zanber forms, while Nanoha gains Excellion Modes for mid and close range, and later develops the Blaster system. Don't forget that Nanoha can draw enough power to hurt herself, so much magic output that her body can't handle it. Fate can't do that, or she's been subconsciously conditioned to not go past her limit. Everyone else passes out exhausted/drained before that would occur.

This (thus far) has culminated in her being able to produce a Divine Buster with the same strength as the SB she clobbered Fate with in the movie.

In the series, Amy and Chrono noted that Nanoha likely outclassed him, due to the absurd amount of magic she outputted.

[fireheart]

I don't know how much they're tied in etc but according to the manga of the movie Nanoha left the defense completely up to Raising Heart while she concentrated on regenerating her barrier jacket. Which at least is more of an explanation than the movie gave on how she managed to get through the attack.

As for Starlight Breaker I still love the part in A's when Reinforce uses it and Nanoha thinks they should be safe/gotten so far away that the Starlight Breaker won't be a big deal and Fate goes no we're not.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't know how much they're tied in etc but according to the manga of the movie Nanoha left the defense completely up to Raising Heart while she concentrated on regenerating her barrier jacket. Which at least is more of an explanation than the movie gave on how she managed to get through the attack.

As for Starlight Breaker I still love the part in A's when Reinforce uses it and Nanoha thinks they should be safe/gotten so far away that the Starlight Breaker won't be a big deal and Fate goes no we're not.

Have you got a link or reference point (chapter and/or episode number)?

I'd love to check them out.

[fireheart]

Have you got a link or reference point (chapter and/or episode number)?

I'd love to check them out.

Enjoy

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_...e_comics/c013/

[Buffalobiian]

Enjoy

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_...e_comics/c013/

Thanks!

edit: The distorted chibi expressions in this are hilarious.

Btw:

There is only one lingering thing that bothers me about the movie.

There was that one scene where Nanoha said she "understood now" and what she wanted to talk to Fate about, and it flashed to her crying on the couch, and crying in her bedroom. But there was another bed with two wreaths over it. It's a pain to find, but it is around the 59-60 minute mark.

They never explained it, I don't remember it from the original series, and I don't see any connection to it. This isn't Triangle Heart 3, all of her family is alive and well (Kyouya, Miyuki, her mother and father).

I think I remember that from the original series, but I can't say for sure. I'm very good at fabricating my own memories.

Fireheart's manga link covers that one in more detail (and turns out to be the same reason that was covered in the original series)

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_...e_comics/c011/

[Buffalobiian]

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10173499

Coming soon?

[Marik]

^ In response to the movie poster above...

The official website for Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha the Movie 2nd A's, the second film in the Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha franchise, began streaming the film's first teaser trailer on Saturday. The website also confirmed the film's opening day — July 14 — and listed the participating theaters, the special bonuses that are being sold with tickets, and the characters.

The movie will be a sequel to Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE 1st which opened in 2010. That film was a retelling of the first series, and creator Masaki Tsuzuki emphasized that it was a "new parallel history."

Update: Starting on Saturday, each ticket can be bought with one of three different A2-sized clear posters (Nanoha, Fate, or Hayate) drawn by character designer Yasuhiro Okuda at Animate stores, or with one of three other A2-clear posters (also of Nanoha, Fate, or Hayate) illustrated by Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid manga artist Takuya Fujima. In May, Gamers will offer each ticket with a booklet of drawings created by popular illustrators in support of the film. Then in June, Gamers will sell a ticket with one of three sound-emanating Speacot mascot figures (Nanoha, Fate, or Hayate).

Starting on March 17 at the theaters, people can buy a ticket that is attached to an A3-sized metal poster with printed signatures of voice actresses Yukari Tamura and Nana Mizuki. Finally, the Circle-K and Sankus convenience stores will offer each tickets with one of two different Nendoroid Petit charm sets starting on March 22.

[Kraco]

Didn't look bad. Though Fate looked a few years older than Nanoha in the meeting scene...

[Ryllharu]

I'm mildly surprised they're reusing Eternal Blaze rather than give Mizuki Nana a new song to sing like they did with the 1st movie.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm mildly surprised they're reusing Eternal Blaze rather than give Mizuki Nana a new song to sing like they did with the 1st movie.

Only mildly yeah. Eternal Blaze being her most popular and personally my favourite Nanoha song, it makes sense to stick it in there.

I'll still be expecting a new insert song though.

[Buffalobiian]

[HorribleSubs] Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE 2nd [720p].mkv

[Kraco]

I liked this movie a lot. I can't say I'd be particularly missing the betrayal plot from the series either. That's actually the only thing I do recall that's really missing from this. The visuals were splendid (the token unnatural looking CGI dragons aside), and the direction was especially successful in my opinion, even if Nanoha and Fate's henshin scene was unbelievably long after they got their powers back. The sad scenes managed to be sad, which is always a good indicator of success.

Very much worth watching. Always a pleasure to listen to the Belkan German as well.

[Buffalobiian]

I thought this movie was alright. Naturally it didn't have all the bonding and developing time that the A's series got during its run, but if I consider that it had to be done within 2.5hrs, it's well done. What I missed was the way Linker Cores were absorbed. Thrusting your hand through someone's chest was simply more powerful than absorbing your power. You feel that someone was violated and had something important removed, instead of just giving blood or something.

There's also my favourite "Takomachi Nantoka" quote they missed out. It could have been used wisely when Vita called out to Nanoha in their frontline attack.

I did greatly enjoy the variety of moves Fate got in this movie. She only had a handful (like.. 3 max) of sword moves in the original - and that's counting StrikerS. Even better is the fact that she can use it like a beam weapon so she doesn't feel too upstaged by Nanoha (who correctly claims that her defence is superior. Power-output superiority is already established).

While I easily recommended the First movie over the original series, I can't recommend Movie Second over the original A's series in the same manner. It'd be a tough choice.