Goku vs Superman

[Ryllharu]

Ani, you make statements about comics blatantly riddled with falsehoods all the time (because clearly all of your "knowledge" is based off of 90s American cartoon versions of the various franchises) then quibble over minutiae in a pathetic attempt to save face once you are definitively proven wrong. Frequently by a comic page (the actual canon), or several. Most of my Marvel/DC basic knowledge comes from those same 90s versions, but the key difference is that I don't pretend that I know all about comics and present them as facts and proof.

Just stop.


Also, no "racism" involved, though you are certainly attempting to drag this entire discussion down to your usual level of sniping attacks consisting largely of thinly-veiled racist comments.
Since when is a statement that you're trying (and failing) to save face a racist comment? Everyone does that, race isn't relevant. Claiming that it is "anti-Asian" is stereotyping and actually racist.

[Animeniax]

Yeah I've admitted it's been a while since I've read comics, so some details are fuzzy. I've also admitted to typing off the cuff, and not taking anything too seriously when I post. But again, my main point is about the super fights and how the authors choose which abilities and attributes to provide the combatants. Some errors in the details don't disprove this. You try to make it sound like I purposefully lie or state false info, which is ridiculous. I could fact-check but really who gives a shit, this isn't national politics.

It's not about "saving face" as I could care less about how you people see me, particularly since this is an online forum and we're all anonymous. If that isn't evident, I'll try harder to make that clear. I take criticism just fine, but I don't like assholes like you or ds who nitpick and correct, then add in digs or smartass comments.

Let's get back on topic, this thread rules.

[Ryllharu]

It's not about "saving face" as I could care less about how you people see me, particularly since this is an online forum and we're all anonymous. If that isn't evident, I'll try harder to make that clear. I take criticism just fine, but I don't like assholes like you or ds who nitpick and correct, then add in digs or smartass comments.

If this were true, you'd admit you were wrong after the first post you were called out as being wrong. Except you never do.

And you definitely don't.

[Animeniax]

I've admitted I'm wrong plenty of times. Like I said, it's not about saving face, it's about addressing whatever snarky comment or smartass remark you include with your correction.

[Archangel]

Seeing as this apparently my thread, do i have the right to delete it? This shit's awful.

[Y]

Goku completely chumps Superman.

EDIT:

Yeesh this thread is atrocious.

[Animeniax]

Seeing as this apparently my thread, do i have the right to delete it? This shit's awful.

It was a good thread until ds made his appearance. Then the place went to shit.

[Shadow Skill]

Aside from what you believe if a Pulsar shot a beam of energy at our Sun, our Sun would not explode. That's gotta be on the scale of Goku's Kamehameha or more. Even if he did shoot at a star, I honestly don't think he would destroy a star simply for the fact the fusion process is out putting Trillions of Tons of massive energy every second due to the nuclear fusion taking place inside our sun. So... Ya... Sun wins. :P

[Animeniax]

Aside from what you believe if a Pulsar shot a beam of energy at our Sun, our Sun would not explode. That's gotta be on the scale of Goku's Kamehameha or more. Even if he did shoot at a star, I honestly don't think he would destroy a star simply for the fact the fusion process is out putting Trillions of Tons of massive energy every second due to the nuclear fusion taking place inside our sun. So... Ya... Sun wins. :P

I don't know how the sun would react to such an influx of energy, but I wouldn't guess that it would simply let the energy pass through it. Like you said, the sun produces a massive amount of energy so maybe it would repel the blast or absorb it. A pulsar beam probably doesn't produce the same type of energy as that found in a kamehameha wave or even a gallett gun shot. Regardless, as has been discussed, destroying the sun would not be an option as it would mean the destruction of the earth as well.

Another question would be, minus the sun, would Superman's reserve of stored energy last as long as Goku's energy reserves? If Goku used up a lot of energy fighting Superman before deciding to remove the sun (or transport them to a place with no yellow sun), Superman would still probably have the energy to defeat a depleted Goku.

[Buffalobiian]

Another question would be, minus the sun, would Superman's reserve of stored energy last as long as Goku's energy reserves? If Goku used up a lot of energy fighting Superman before deciding to remove the sun (or transport them to a place with no yellow sun), Superman would still probably have the energy to defeat a depleted Goku.

Depends on his sensu-beans and spirit bomb gathering.

Planets without a sun are pretty damn cold. I'm not sure Goku would be able to fight or function in a place like that.

[Carnage]

Depends on his sensu-beans and spirit bomb gathering.

Planets without a sun are pretty damn cold. I'm not sure Goku would be able to fight or function in a place like that.

Youre forgetting the afterlife/underworld possibility. Goku can easily teleport to an area with no sun. And if Goku isn't willing to fight a defenseless Superman, then I doubt Superman wouldn't at least allow Goku a training arc.

[Animeniax]

Depends on his sensu-beans and spirit bomb gathering.

Planets without a sun are pretty damn cold. I'm not sure Goku would be able to fight or function in a place like that.

I think Superman would laser vision the bag of sensu beans as soon as he realized what they were for. And no way does he let Goku get enough time to gather energy for a spirit bomb.

Youre forgetting the afterlife/underworld possibility. Goku can easily teleport to an area with no sun. And if Goku isn't willing to fight a defenseless Superman, then I doubt Superman wouldn't at least allow Goku a training arc.

Goku would have to flee or die before he could get that training arc. Superman doesn't share Goku's weakness for wanting a fair fight or a true test of ability. He'd just want to save the world from a potential alien threat.

[shinta|hikari]

I wonder why they have to factor in the personality of those involved. Can't it be a mere test of potential without all that drama?

[Carnage]

Goku would have to flee or die before he could get that training arc. Superman doesn't share Goku's weakness for wanting a fair fight or a true test of ability. He'd just want to save the world from a potential alien threat.

By the same token, it would be out of Superman's character to treat him like a villain.

[Death BOO Z]

spirit bomb goes out the window, as it's unable to hurt superman (being pure of heart and everything else). I don't consider the possibility of taking inside the energy of the spirit bomb, I don't consider it canon to dragon ball.

[Animeniax]

By the same token, it would be out of Superman's character to treat him like a villain.

Maybe if (pre-non-American citizen) Superman was commanded by the US President to deal with what the leadership considered a potential alien threat in Goku, then Superman would have to fight him. Or we could remove all those variables and just say this is a tournament style fight.

I wonder why they have to factor in the personality of those involved. Can't it be a mere test of potential without all that drama?

Their personality plays a big part in their fighting ability. You can have all the power in the universe, but without the right mindset to use it (and all the ways to use it to your advantage), it's meaningless. I watch a lot of pro fighting, and the lack of killer instinct and heart is what separates the pretenders from the champions.

spirit bomb goes out the window, as it's unable to hurt superman (being pure of heart and everything else). I don't consider the possibility of taking inside the energy of the spirit bomb, I don't consider it canon to dragon ball.

That's one of those details I forgot about. The spirit bomb only works against evil (I'm reading up on this to be sure).

edit: the Dragonball wiki is slightly contradictory about the spirit bomb:

one must have a pure heart so they can manipulate and gather energy, otherwise the move can backfire and possibly hurt or kill the user. Likewise, once a Spirit Bomb has been fired, it is possible for one with a pure heart to deflect the technique, as Goku clarifies to Gohan and Krillin. However, it should be noted that although a person can be pure good or pure evil of heart, a Spirit Bomb created by a pure good person can not be deflected by a pure evil person, as the two opposite energies cancel each other out and one engulfs the other. This is shown when Frieza (a being of pure evil) is not able to deflect the Spirit Bomb, although being able to survive it through brute endurance. However, the Spirit Bomb is capable of harming anyone, regardless of morality.

[rockmanj]

I doutb Goku would have the time to make a spirit bomb, but I think he could take Superman out at SSJ full power, maybe level 2. I feel Goku would be more skilled and is known as a fighting genius. Also, goku seems to have as many limits as he needs.

I wonder how mystic Gohan would fare.

[Carnage]

Actually, a better question would be Buu. He's made of magic, so its likely his candy/absorption techniques would work on superman. And it seems like physical attacks dont work on him, it takes a requisite amount of Chi.

[rockmanj]

Actually, a better question would be Buu. He's made of magic, so its likely his candy/absorption techniques would work on superman. And it seems like physical attacks dont work on him, it takes a requisite amount of Chi.

Which Buu? I think Super and Kid would probably mop the floor with Superman (now that I think about it, fat Buu as well, since he would probably piss Superman off and thrown him off balance). The thing is, if Buu absorbs Superman (no sunlight in his body!), would he be able to pull a Vegetto and get out of Buu's body, or would Buu just beat him to death?

[Carnage]

Which Buu? I think Super and Kid would probably mop the floor with Superman (now that I think about it, fat Buu as well, since he would probably piss Superman off and thrown him off balance). The thing is, if Buu absorbs Superman (no sunlight in his body!), would he be able to pull a Vegetto and get out of Buu's body, or would Buu just beat him to death?

Magic is a weakness of superman (unless they retconned that), and Vegetto used a Chi forcefield which I doubt is one of his abilities. So Im going to guess that he would straight up become absorbed.