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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Team Mikasa/Armin want to commit genocide against Eldians "for the greater good".
    Blatantly false. Not genociding everyone else isn't genociding the Eldians.

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    Team Floch/Eren defend Eldians pro-actively by killing everyone else, because "everyone else" can't stop themselves from attacking Eldians.
    Blatantly false. The Hizuru already don't want to kill them. And everyone else really only wants to kill them because of the Marleyans. If you topple the Marley regime, you can reason with the rest of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    If you want to say "there are no morally good sides here, everyone is wrong/right to some degree", that'd be okay. But painting Mikasa/Armin as the good guys and Floch/Eren as the bad guys, that's just insane.
    I mean, we can do that if you want. But Mikasa/Armin are, like, a 2/10 on the villainy scale and Floch/Eren are an 11/10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Blatantly false. Not genociding everyone else isn't genociding the Eldians.
    The anime presents 2 options. Floch and Eren choosing to save Eldians from attacking others is not evil.

    Blatantly false. The Hizuru already don't want to kill them. And everyone else really only wants to kill them because of the Marleyans. If you topple the Marley regime, you can reason with the rest of the world.
    Again, the anime presents 2 options. The Hizuru are a tiny, as we learn unimportant group. There is no hint from anyone that only Marleyans want to kill Eldians. And even if not killing, there's still enslaving.

    I mean, we can do that if you want. But Mikasa/Armin are, like, a 2/10 on the villainy scale and Floch/Eren are an 11/10.
    You have it backwards.

    From the pov of the Eldian heroes:
    - Mikasa/Armin choose to help genocide their own people for the greater good of a future world.
    - Floch/Eren choose to genocide the rest of the world to defend their own people from being eradicated.

    Basically, Floch/Eren are like the Jews in 1943, except they got titans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    The anime presents 2 options.
    No, the anime's worst characters present 2 options. Anyone over the age of 7 is supposed to be able to tell that they're wrong.

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    Basically, Floch/Armin are like the Jews in 1943, except they got titans.
    Correct. They're like if the Jews in 1943 got titans, and instead of using them to defeat the Nazis, they used them to genocide every non-Jewish person on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    No, the anime's worst characters present 2 options. Anyone over the age of 7 is supposed to be able to tell that they're wrong.

    Correct. They're like if the Jews in 1943 got titans, and instead of using them to defeat the Nazis, they used them to genocide every non-Jewish person on the planet.
    1.) Meant to write "Floch/Eren".

    2.) No, the analogy is that the whole world is nazis, just like for Jews in German KZs, there was only nazis surrounding them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    2.) No, the analogy is that the whole world is nazis
    Right, which is why your analogy, and your entire argument, is wrong.

    Marley is the Nazis. Everyone else is just people conquered by Marley, who are only going along with them because they can't stop them. It's like saying Poland, France and North Africa are Nazis.

    If Eren stops the Marleyans, there's no reason for everyone else to keep following their lead. Just like with the Nazis.


    And like I said, the anime makes this super obvious. There's a reason why the instant Eren embarks on this course of action, he ceases to be a POV character anymore. Because he's the villain now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Right, which is why your analogy, and your entire argument, is wrong.

    Marley is the Nazis. Everyone else is just people conquered by Marley, who are only going along with them because they can't stop them. It's like saying Poland, France and North Africa are Nazis.

    If Eren stops the Marleyans, there's no reason for everyone else to keep following their lead. Just like with the Nazis.


    And like I said, the anime makes this super obvious. There's a reason why the instant Eren embarks on this course of action, he ceases to be a POV character anymore. Because he's the villain now.
    It has been said countless times that whole world wants Eldians gone. Pls cite a single scene where it is made clear that only Marley wants that.

    Also: Even if it's only Marley - you just said everyone else was conquered by Marley. So ... duh ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    It has been said countless times that whole world wants Eldians gone.
    Again. By characters that are assholes. You aren't supposed to agree with them.

    It's like when Madara says, "Mind controlling everyone inside a giant tree is the only path to world peace." You aren't supposed to go, "Oh, well I guess they better get on up inside that tree there then." for fuck's sake.

    Just. Because. A. Character. Says. Something. Doesn't. Make. It. True.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Even if it's only Marley - you just said everyone else was conquered by Marley. So ... duh ...
    Hey numbnuts. Guess what happens when you liberate someone from their conqueror. They don't stay conquered. See: Poland/France/North Africa/etc. After the Nazis were defeated, those countries didn't STAY Nazi controlled.

    The whole start of season 4 shows Marley at war with these other countries. If you get RID of Marley, those countries aren't just going to keep on towing the Marley line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Again. By characters that are assholes.
    By the only ones that tell us stuff. You making up stuff inside your mind doesn't make it a valid argument.

    Hey numbnuts. Guess what happens when you liberate someone from their conqueror. They don't stay conquered. See: Poland/France/North Africa/etc. After the Nazis were defeated, those countries didn't STAY Nazi controlled.

    The whole start of season 4 shows Marley at war with these other countries. If you get RID of Marley, those countries aren't just going to keep on towing the Marley line.
    The world of AoT can't be compared to our real world 1:1 and you know that. The whole world saw what titans can do when Marley conquered them. They, EVERYONE, want the titans gone. Afaik they all expressed their hatred toward titans. Killing Marley leadership won't remove the world's fear of Eldians. It's irrational, like our real world's hate towards innocent pedophiles: The moment the word "pedophile" is used, people lose all their IQ and become dumb. "Kill them!", "Castrate them!", "Monsters!" - towards innocent people who have never committed a crime. And no, hardly anyone makes a difference between pedo-criminals and innocent people who just happen to have a pedophilic attraction that they don't act upon. This is what it's like with Eldians: Them promising not to attack the world with their titan powers wasn't enough for the world. Thus the world tries to eradicate all Eldians. And that is a sentiment not exclusive to Marley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    By the only ones that tell us stuff. You making up stuff inside your mind doesn't make it a valid argument.
    The SHOW is SHOWING you otherwise!

    For fuck's sake, GABBY doesn't even want the Eldians dead any more. And she is THE WORST. If they can convince her, they can convince LITERALLY ANYONE. The show is DESPERATELY trying to show you that and you just REFUSE to acknowledge that it's even an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    It's irrational, like our real world's hate towards innocent pedophiles: The moment the word "pedophile" is used, people lose all their IQ and become dumb. "Kill them!", "Castrate them!", "Monsters!" - towards innocent people who have never committed a crime.
    And in this metaphor you've crafted, the only way for pedophiles to live in peace is to...murder every non-pedophile on the planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Thus the world tries to eradicate all Eldians. And that is a sentiment not exclusive to Marley.
    Except Marley's plan WASN'T to get rid of the Titans. It was to capture the founder so they can have extra big control over the titans, and the world. They don't want the Eldians dead, they want the re-enslaved.

    And, for some inexplicable reason, most of the other countries are okay with this plan. Because Willy Tybur said so, and apparently everyone listens to him.

    So yeah, actually, almost nobody wants the Eldians dead. It's pretty much just Zeke and his tiny faction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    The SHOW is SHOWING you otherwise!

    For fuck's sake, GABBY doesn't even want the Eldians dead any more. And she is THE WORST. If they can convince her, they can convince LITERALLY ANYONE. The show is DESPERATELY trying to show you that and you just REFUSE to acknowledge that it's even an option.

    And in this metaphor you've crafted, the only way for pedophiles to live in peace is to...murder every non-pedophile on the planet.

    Except Marley's plan WASN'T to get rid of the Titans. It was to capture the founder so they can have extra big control over the titans, and the world. They don't want the Eldians dead, they want the re-enslaved.

    And, for some inexplicable reason, most of the other countries are okay with this plan. Because Willy Tybur said so, and apparently everyone listens to him.

    So yeah, actually, almost nobody wants the Eldians dead. It's pretty much just Zeke and his tiny faction.
    Oh, I'm sorry: The world only wants all Eldians enslaved. Not murdered. Mea culpa.

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    https://twitter.com/anime_shingeki/s...5Es1_&ref_url=

    Final Season Part 3 Final Arc Part 1

    :|

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    From what I heard, the language was vague and by 'two parts', they may mean two elongated episodes. Airs in March.

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    The Last Part - Part 3 - Part 2


    Dumbest shit ever.


    Quote Originally Posted by neflight86 View Post
    From what I heard, the language was vague and by 'two parts', they may mean two elongated episodes.
    If that's the case, they should have just made a movie.

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    I just rewatched the "Manipulate Grisha" episode and the "Turn Ymir to your side" episode.

    They were so good.

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    https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/dai...arch-3/.194668

    Some confirmation that we're getting two hour long episodes to end out AoT, if anyone was still wondering.

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    On the one hand ... two 1-hour episodes is nice.

    On the other hand ... ONLY two more episodes?! I really wonder how everything can be wrapped up with that. Well, if it's trly 1 hour each and not actuallly 45 minutes, then it's basically 6 more episodes, half a season. Still ... phew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    I really wonder how everything can be wrapped up with that.
    1. Land plane on Erentitan.
    2. Talk him down.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Well, if it's trly 1 hour each and not actuallly 45 minutes, then it's basically 6 more episodes, half a season.
    It probably means hour-long airing. So 4 episodes-worth.

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    I cannot imagine Eren is going to back down no matter what at this point.
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    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    I cannot imagine Eren is going to back down no matter what at this point.
    And I really hope it wins. Don't let this be a Death Note-repeat pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Don't let this be a Death Note-repeat pls
    JFC.......

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