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    Aladdin is obviously perfectly human. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have such a healthy and manly interest in women. Since we now know Titus is in fact a clone of a woman somehow made into the shape of a man, his girly interests are natural. He's clearly not as wholesomely human as Aladdin.

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    Yunan is really the only "otherworldly" Magi. Detached about everything for sure.

    Scheherazade is pretty attached to Leam, and she's probably transcended past her own humanity, callously making short lived clones and using them as largely-disposable agents. That said, she did want Titus to come back and wanted to do, 'everything she can for him in the time he has left, just as she has for all the other children,' so she was certainly human at one time. She may use them, but she cares for them...to some degree.

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    I'm wondering if the reason she wants him to come back is so she can reabsorb him. And if that's not a positive thing for him. But he doesn't know it.

    Like he'd live on inside her as a part of her, but by preventing him from going back, they're actually dooming him to oblivion when he dies.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    I'd say it is possible for magicians and humans to coexist equally, in fiction or in reality.
    Aw hell no. I'm just talking about fiction here. I don't want those top hat wearing fuckers in MY community!

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    To make it clear, the flashback to Judal's past was at the end of a fight with Aladdin when Aladdin grabbed him. But it was discussed between Sinbad and Judal later.
    Okay.

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    No Ep this week?

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    There is, it's just late for some reason.

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    Watchable subs. They have some additional subtitles on screen that advertise the sub-group and/or the source, but it'll do as a fix.

    [SkynetSubs] Magi - The Kingdom of Magic - 18v2 (848x480 x264 AAC).mkv
    [SkynetSubs] Magi - The Kingdom of Magic - 18v2 (1280x720 x264 AAC).mkv


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    Damn, I like that Fannalis girl too. Morg is more cultured but still... eyecandy-wise she easily passes. Too bad we don't get to see Alibaba's training (and the Toto interactions that would have come with it) or more of Morg's side of things, but this keeps the flow of the story I suppose so I'll take it.

    I couldn't quite put words to it before, but this episode showed how Morgamett's idea really came out of desperation in trying to find meaning to magic (and that it has to have a meaning).

    Leam and Magnostadt are actually quite similar in that both have a superior guardian race with the common people backing them. The only difference is that as Scheherazade said, in Leam even the common people can advance their country, while in Magnostadt only the magicians are making any progress. At the same time the opposite is true: Fannalis are superior, but they probably aren't actually getting stronger unless they're continually developing better martial arts. They've reached their limit by relying on their physical performance, the same way that Goi in Magnostadt can't advance because their magoi output is physically limited.

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    A good thing Morgiana didn't meet thing gang of Fanalis fanatics. She would have been tainted. She doesn't need to become a person who gets excited and gleeful when chasing and slaughtering fleeing people.

    Mogamett's (and the whole country's) faults and limits are obvious for anybody to see, but I'm beginning to think Scheherazade is still more twisted of the two, and in a far more dangerous way: She has raised herself to godhood and is now enjoying the achievements of her people from high above as if they were all her own personal deeds and accomplishments. Mogamett might not think anything of the goi, but Scheherazade considers all the citizen's of Leam her children, whom she must guide - and punish if needed, no doubt. Likewise all the people of foreign countries who are denied the grace of her wisdom are to be pitied and their misguided ways to be mourned, to the degree they are better off dead than forced to suffer a continuous existence without her brilliance shining upon them.

    Aladdin can't put a stop to this foolishness soon enough.

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    Maybe it was just the effect of not being as ridiculous, but these Fanalis seem a hell of a lot weaker than Morg. Sure, they tossed some crazy-sized boulders, but not of them punched through people or broke the stone ground just by leaping.

    I hope Yunan transfers Morgianna here to wreck some shit. Judging by episode 1, they're on their way, along with everyone else.

    I was kind of appalled at some of the spells the magicians used. Big crispy explosion makers resulting in instant death is one thing (though still pretty bad), but acid rain is just cruel. Irene isn't a nice magician. Sadist for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    She has raised herself to godhood and is now enjoying the achievements of her people from high above as if they were all her own personal deeds and accomplishments.
    Is that really not appropriate?

    If you can't take pride in the accomplishments of your country's people as it's ruler, what can you take pride in? Your castle's lawn?

    If you've made your country into a place where such achievements are possible, that makes you a successful ruler. The accomplishments of it's people reflect directly upon your ability to build a successful country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    I was kind of appalled at some of the spells the magicians used. Big crispy explosion makers resulting in instant death is one thing (though still pretty bad), but acid rain is just cruel. Irene isn't a nice magician. Sadist for sure.
    While that's certainly true, I don't blame an individual wizard for the forms their attacks take, since they don't really control what powers they're naturally good at.

    Maybe she's just a Water mage and that's the most damaging attack she has access to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Is that really not appropriate?
    If that was all, I'd say it would be not only appropriate but perhaps even preferable, assuming she could be satisfied with just that. But from this ep and to a lesser extent the previous ones, I got a feeling she has raised herself to a higher place in her mind. Mogamett, however, considers all magicians equal, himself among them, though he would accept leadership if the others gave him the position, and likely only as long as the others were happy with his performance. Scheherazade's opinion, I dare say, is that of the old absolute monarchs who let the power go to their heads. I suppose that's normal considering the period is ancient in this show, but that hardly makes it better. Yeah, Leam is Scheherazade and Scheherazade is Leam. When she was walking among the craftsmen making gunpowder and telling how the people can do it if they want, it was like fricking Kim Jong-un walking among nuclear physicists telling how the mighty North Korea can manufacture nuclear weapons if they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    But from this ep and to a lesser extent the previous ones, I got a feeling she has raised herself to a higher place in her mind. Mogamett, however, considers all magicians equal, himself among them, though he would accept leadership if the others gave him the position, and likely only as long as the others were happy with his performance.
    I like how it's not okay for her to think she's higher than everyone else even though she's a Magi and probably is, but it's okay for Mogamett to consider the group he happens to be a part of higher than everyone else.

    For all we know, she just thinks all Magi are better, which would make her exactly the same as Mogamett. It's not her fault there's only 4 Magi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    I like how it's not okay for her to think she's higher than everyone else even though she's a Magi and probably is, but it's okay for Mogamett to consider the group he happens to be a part of higher than everyone else.

    For all we know, she just thinks all Magi are better, which would make her exactly the same as Mogamett. It's not her fault there's only 4 Magi.
    I said earlier Mogamett and the whole Magnostadt's faults are very obvious. So, don't go jumping to hasty conclusions. Yet it's still marginally better for a person to think a group of people are better than to think he/she alone is somehow divine compared to the rest of humanity. Mogamett is very humble and compassionate when he's dealing with other magicians. Scheherazade doesn't care who you are, as long as you listen to her enlightened vision. If you don't listen to it, you are better off dead to free resources for somebody who does listen. I also don't like how Scheherazade on one hand preaches how humans can stand on their own and achieve anything, yet on the other hand she's looking down on everybody opposing her and pities them. That's just nasty. Aren't they also standing on their own?

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    She specifically pitied the Goi who rely on magicians or protection, who give up their autonomy and freedom to a ruling class in order to get by. To borrow a phrase from a certain maid, they're insects. And Scheherazade pities insects.

    I do share some of your feelings regarding this issue Kraco. A lot of it comes from how Scheherazade keeps referring herself as the saikou Priestess of Leam, a title that sounds like it was self-given. That said, she's like a parent - not very diplomatic but not exactly wrong either.

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    Episode 19 - HS






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    I really liked this episode. Despite the pacifism of Aladdin, he managed to be badass with those sand golems that looked all but impossible to everybody else, save Scheherazade naturally. The more mundane battle before his stunt was quite good as well, even if I'm not 100% satisfied by the magicians' performance against the Fanalis. It's kind of strange the Fanalis evaded all of the magicians' attacks on the ground, yet the flying magicians were hit by every Fanalis attack. In any case I'm happy Aladdin is defending the country that gave him more or less all of his current magical knowhow. There's much wrong in Magnostadt but it doesn't deserve to be destroyed. I hope Aladdin manages to set afoot some sort of a reform.

    I also hope the Fanalis corps leader is going to attack Aladdin in the next ep, only to be intercepted by Alibaba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    I also hope the Fanalis corps leader is going to attack Aladdin in the next ep, only to be intercepted by Alibaba.
    My interpretation was that Alibaba isn't too happy that Aladdin is fighting to defend Magnostadt. He was given the impression by the head of the Fanalis Corps that no foreign students were defending. In actuality, pretty much all of them are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    My interpretation was that Alibaba isn't too happy that Aladdin is fighting to defend Magnostadt. He was given the impression by the head of the Fanalis Corps that no foreign students were defending. In actuality, pretty much all of them are.
    Alibaba is indecisive during his best moments, totally paralyzed at his worst, but I reckon even he would always block a sword pointed at his friend. In fact that's what has caused him troubles in the past, like in his home town. Thus, even if he was unhappy with Aladdin's decision (in his inherent ignorance), he would still see no harm to befall Aladdin.

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    So...I mean, it was fine and all.

    But is Scheherazade just completely useless or something?

    Leam is all "Oh, they have a Magi, it's hopeless. He'll just keep pushing us back." So what the hell is Scheherazade doing while all this is going on?


    The cracks on Aladdin concern me. I hope they're just temporary from the stones. But they seem to be growing since he took them out rather than healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DE
    Leam is all "Oh, they have a Magi, it's hopeless. He'll just keep pushing us back." So what the hell is Scheherazade doing while all this is going on?
    A sea away, watching. Remember that she advocates that Leam are people who rely on themselves instead of hiding behind their Magi figurehead.

    As for Aladdin's cracks, back when I saw them in the first episode I feared that they were some form of corruption that Mogamett did to him, but now it just looks like Ruhk overload. Perhaps not having any influx of Ruhk for such a long time meant that his body is now not exactly tolerant of it yet.

    Alibaba's dilemma is more purely based on the fact that he is now possibly facing Aladdin. As far as he can tell from the outside Magnostadt is this shady country that develops Black Djinns and hands out harmful tools to pirates, and it deserves to be destroyed. If Aladdin's defending it though, it's not that simple and he wants to know why. I think he has more faith in Aladdin than to think than to be disappointed in Aladdin for defending this country. He might be confused. He'll definitely ask Aladdin why he's doing this for such an 'evil' country, but he won't think any less of Aladdin because of this.

    Totally with Kraco about Alibaba intercepting that. I think his transformation would probably be cooler if I haven't seen it in the OP so many times already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    A sea away, watching.
    Oh. I thought she was on one of the ships.

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    Just began watching this series, and overall better than what I was expecting going into it, quite enjoying it. Don't like the two main characters all that much, but Morgiana is awesome. I'm 8 episodes in, hope to catch up in the coming days.

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